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Irv

12-21-2004 22:45:41




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I am planning to buy a air nailer soon. I looked at some at HD, and online at HF. What concerns me is the nails. Do all these guns use the same nails? Do the HF models use special nails I can only get there? I don't make my living as a carpenter, but I need something reliable. Are the HF units "good enough" ? I think I need a framing gun. Do I need a smaller unit too? What says you? LOL! Irv




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cheap_dave

12-27-2004 10:17:14




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 Re: Air nailers in reply to Irv, 12-21-2004 22:45:41  
Hi Irv

I used to be a general contractor and after framing 200+ houses and owning 25 nail guns over my life I learned the following about framing nail guns: buy a major brand such as; Paslode (they make some Sears, Makita, Dewalt and the newer Hitachi), Hitachi, senco, Porter Cable, Craftsman or Bostitch. Why? Because you can obtain a rebuild kit for them. Over time the valves and seals have a problem with wearing out, drying out etc. Try buying a rebuild kit for HF?

However, before you buy a nail gun think about the nails, there are four types of nails, and they are not interchangeable, they are 21 degree, (plastic collated), 28 degree (some guns use paper some wire), 34 degree (paper), and coil (wire).

Note: roofing guns use a different type of coil nail (roofing and framing are different animals altogether, two different guns two different nails).

The higher the degree the more the clipped head, some building depts. won�t allow clipped head nails. Nail prices very between the different degrees also, I�ve always found the plastic 21-degree to be the most cost affective. And coil nails not much far behind.

Rebuilding a gun usually takes less than a half hour and about $25 for the kit.

Since I am no longer a GC I have found that the guns generally disappeared rather than broke.

I currently own a porter cable framer and an antique Hilti Framer, a craftsman roofer, a porter cable 16 ga finish, a senco 16 ga finish and a sears 18 ga brad. Plus some staplers and flooring nailers.

With the exception of 2 all of the nail guns I have ever owned were bought from pawnshops (I love to haggle); the smallest finish gun was $8, three years ago and has worked great.

I store all guns in a cabinet (less dust), and oil on every use.

I like to regulate at the gun, instead of at the compressor, less walking, more control.

I have mistakenly dropped a bostitch framer and a hypoid saw about 40 feet, the gun went back to work, the skill saw went to the dumpster.

I have also seen nails mistakenly? Shot through ankles, fingers, hands, feet, toes, legs, and ricochet through the back of an ear. I�ve watched a smart framer spend 2 hours digging a piece of plastic out of his eye ball because he didn�t have time to get the safety glasses out of his tool box.

I hope this helped

Dave

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deano

12-23-2004 19:44:24




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 Re: Air nailers if you can stick with made in usa in reply to Irv, 12-21-2004 22:45:41  



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Irv

12-23-2004 02:51:50




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 Thanks!! in reply to Irv, 12-21-2004 22:45:41  
Thanks guys! - you have given me a lot to consider. These boards are great! Irv



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williamf

12-22-2004 15:55:51




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 Re: Air nailers in reply to Irv, 12-21-2004 22:45:41  
I have a Porter Cable nail gun from Homer's, myself. Had to do it when I needed a tractor shed and my ol' elbow said ,"No more hammers." Years ago I was the foreman in a building component plant where we used nail guns to do "production carpentry." Lotsa production, rough carpentry. Most important with nail guns is be careful. Every couple weeks I'd have to give somebody a ride to the ER, write up accident report,"Puncture wound to left hand."
The clipped heads are frowned on by some code writers because they don't hold quite as well. Placement makes more difference.

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Mark - IN.

12-22-2004 15:42:58




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 Re: Air nailers in reply to Irv, 12-21-2004 22:45:41  
Nope, they do not all use the same nails, and that's important when deciding what you're going to buy. What are you going to be using it (them) for? I have both Porter Cable and Senco framing nailers that use 2 3/8" nails max - great guns, but not good for fastening 2x4's - no bite. I have a Bostich that fires up to 3 1/4" nails that is excellent for backing 2x4's up to each other, or what ever. The Bostich can use the same nails as the other two because of the shorter length. I have a Porter Cable brad nailer that handles up to 2" brads, but forget the diameter (thickness), and have Bostich and Senco brad nailers that handle up to 1 1/4" inch brads with a smaller thickness - can't use those brads in the Porter Cable.

I guess you have to decide what's going to be your most common use and go from there. The big Bostich, about $400. The Porters $250 - $350 range. Senco about $250. All depends what you're buying - even the cheaper priced aren't cheap.

All of them are good, all beat a hammer, all make me fatter, but are even better and more expensive ones. But no matter what you decide on, don't forget the Marvel Oil to keep them lubed up. And stay away from Tool Shop (Menards made in China junk).

Mark

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deano

12-22-2004 15:14:14




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 Re: Air nailers in reply to Irv, 12-21-2004 22:45:41  
bostitch, and paslode make good guns...i have bostitch framer and gas powered finish paslode...if you can afford it get gas powered, for the convenience...



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old blue

12-22-2004 18:58:05




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 Re: Air nailers in reply to deano, 12-22-2004 15:14:14  
hey deano whats teh model number on your finish nailer. Is this a hoseless/cordless nailer? the reason i ask is ive been looking at buying a finish nailer for some time but if i buy one that i need my compressor for im limited to where i can work ( i have a large two stage emglo stationary model) Are there any extra catchs with the paslode gas powered nailer?? thanks in advance


sam

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deano

12-23-2004 19:39:38




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 Re: Air nailers in reply to old blue, 12-22-2004 18:58:05  
hi, i bought this paslode trimmaster new off of ebay, and have had for two years. Its a paslode trimmaster 16 cordless angled finish nailer model im250a...I think paslode has an even newer version out now...i have had good luck with it, and highly recommend angled for carpentry trim work...

i worked in a "box shop" for ten years, making pallets and skids, and made approx..250 pallets/day or 175 skids/day, and we used strictly paslode air nailers. we tried bostitch but just couldn't handle production...I don't think theres another gun out there that could match what we did with the paslodes for speed/accuracy/safety..

i like my bostitch framer also...i dont need the speed so it performs just fine for framing jobs i do....hope this helps anyone looking...

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txblu

12-22-2004 12:51:18




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 Re: Air nailers in reply to Irv, 12-21-2004 22:45:41  
I just bought 2ea HF 34 degree framing nailers for $95 including S&H (Reg $$199 + shipping) . One I loaded with 2" nails and the other with 3 1/4" nails (both notched head) I bought from HD. For the price and home use I think it's one heck of a deal. But the 3 1/4 needs the 90psig (cause these are common nails, not box...the fat 16d nail you're familiar with); 2" I back off to 60 psig.

Mark

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MMRTI

12-22-2004 07:08:49




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 Re: Air nailers in reply to Irv, 12-21-2004 22:45:41  
I bought a supposidly reconditioned Hitatchi framing nailer with depth control from a store that sells fastners. It works very well and had a guarntee with it. I paid $195 for it. The nailers use different degree nails. The Hitatchi I have is a full head nailer and the store has every kind of nail you can think of for it. I think that for some nailers only a few nails are readily available. The Hitatchi uses plastic colliated nails which is very good if you do not use it a lot. My friend has a framing nailer he bought new(I think Chicago Pneumatic). The nails are paper colliated and if you store them for a long time the paper deteriorates and jams occur frequently. I help build a couple of decks for friends and a couple of fences and my own deck. I think the nailer reduces time by at least 50% and you get a much better job becuase there are no hammer marks and with depth adjustment every nail is driven in perfect. working alone is easier too because you can hold the board if necessary and nail it in place better than by hand. To get a professinal looking job you need a good aircompressor that will hold the regulated air pressure at all times.

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txblu

12-22-2004 12:57:15




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 Re: Air nailers in reply to MMRTI, 12-22-2004 07:08:49  
Agree about holding the air pressure. Since this is a percussion instrument, depth of penetration is force/resistance, any change in air pressure or wood texture will result in a difference in penetration..... either the head is buried, or it is sticking up.

Mark



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scotmac

12-22-2004 06:14:00




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 Re: Air nailers in reply to Irv, 12-21-2004 22:45:41  
Don't know much about air nailers, except this story that happened to me. I saw this 50+ year old guy in a bar the night before a machinery sale. He said he was retired and from Rochester, MN. I asked him what he had done to retire so early in life. He replied that he had sold air nailers, a lot of air nailers! I asked him if ther was a lot of money in air nailers? His reply..."nope, but there is in air compressors!"

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Bob - MI

12-22-2004 05:30:41




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 Re: Air nailers in reply to Irv, 12-21-2004 22:45:41  
If you look back in the archives you will find posts that are less than complimentary about the HF and other lesser quality nailers.

I did a basement remodel project last year that incorporated tongue and groove boards and I shot nearly 8,000 nails with a bostich finish gun and a bostich brad nailer. I never had a jamb and I was really pleased with the depth control. I have been looking at a framing nailer and settled on a Porter Cable gun #FR350. This has full head nails and will pass all building codes. Two weeks ago I saw it at Sam"s club for $149.00 which was a reduced price from the $230.00 that it was at in the summer. My guess is that it is a close out price.

I would not buy a low grade gun. Once you get used to having them they become indespensable and if it fails it spoils your day. Depth control can be everything and poor quality guns have issues there.

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thurlow

12-22-2004 05:19:05




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 Re: Air nailers in reply to Irv, 12-21-2004 22:45:41  
Txblu (who hangs out on these boards) bought a Harbor Freight framing nailer a few weeks ago; check the archives for the thread..... .or wait 'til he finishes his coffee and Danish and shows up here..... .....



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txblu

12-22-2004 12:52:30




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 Re: Air nailers in reply to thurlow, 12-22-2004 05:19:05  
Hey dude. Thanks for the billboard. I just answered it.

Later,

Mark



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12-22-2004 05:02:56




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 Re: Air nailers in reply to Irv, 12-21-2004 22:45:41  
I have all Bostich very good and would let them go either.



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Fawteen

12-22-2004 04:06:57




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 Re: Air nailers in reply to Irv, 12-21-2004 22:45:41  
I don't make my living as a carpenter either, but I DO have bad elbows and shoulders and can't swing a hammer for more than a couple of minutes.

I splurged and bought a Bostich coil framer when I agreed to build a deck for a neighbor. I was so tickled with that, I went right out and bought a coil roofer and a stick finisher. Don't use 'em but 2 or 3 times a year, and wouldn't part with any of 'em.

Like any tool, I advise buying the best you can afford.

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Big Jim

12-22-2004 00:16:12




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 Re: Air nailers in reply to Irv, 12-21-2004 22:45:41  
My father-in-law built a shop about a year ago. He bought a Porter Cable which uses regular nails. He found out later from the local county inspector that they don't allow framing to be done with the "clipped head" kind of nails. I don't know exactly why but the cheaper nailers seem to use clipped head and the better ones, full head.



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