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sooty

12-18-2004 11:35:08




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Any oil techs out there? I have a L20 Slant Fin boiler, oil fired that soots/plugs up every 6months. I'm on my 3rd oil service company and they are having a hard time to dial it in too. New transformer, electrodes, many different nozzles and angles tried. If the overfire is set to -.02" draft, the smoke is around 3. Give it more air so that the smoke is at a trace, the CO2 goes to a 5 or 6% and now have POSITIVE overfire, +.02" Its a Beckett AFG burner. Good chimney draft +.06" and plenty of air in basement. ??? Thanks for any ideas...

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60bp

12-18-2004 19:38:04




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 Re: Oil burner problems OT in reply to sooty, 12-18-2004 11:35:08  
i had slant fin doing the same thing, i reset the burner to becketts specs. and installed a delevan "W" nozzle wow what a differance the thing ran like a champ. now we clean it every 12 months instead of every 6, good luck to ya.



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Jay (ND)

12-19-2004 11:42:27




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 Re: Oil burner problems OT in reply to 60bp, 12-18-2004 19:38:04  
The W is a universal nozzle - I strongly recommend the Delevan nozzles - I have had less than great luck with anything else. Set everything back to factory, BIG YES. Those people that designed and tested the equipment have things set a certain way because it works.



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Jay (ND)

12-18-2004 17:31:22




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 Re: Oil burner problems OT in reply to sooty, 12-18-2004 11:35:08  
What is the make/model # of the furnace. Get the right nozzle first.

2nd - dont let them use one of those easy electrode setters. Get the one made for the Beckett - its a flat rule.

And just a guess from here on in - sooting with lots of draft and 3 smoke - A: The nozzle is probably wrong, oversized most likely - but in that burner it should be a solid nozzle - probably .85 or under, and a 70 or 80B (or H). B: Your air is restricted too much. If your tech has increased the nozzle size, this is VERY likey. The air adjust is to immediate right of the pump. C: Your pump may not deliver enough fuel. It has to be able to put out 100psi at a flow that will satisfy your nozzle. In other words, it should be able to show 100psi on a guage and still be able to give a trickle of fuel - a .85 nozzle needs to deliver .85 gallons per hour at constant flow. D: If the nozzle is right, your ignitor drawer is most likely too far forward.

Gosh - most guys make a vrooooo oom sound with their lips and I tell them it's such and such. I think your problem is three-fold - wrong nozzle, wrong setting, wrong drawer setting. A & B are easiest to correct.

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sooty

12-18-2004 18:14:47




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 Re: Oil burner problems OT in reply to Jay (ND), 12-18-2004 17:31:22  
Thanks for the responses...
The chimney has been checked cold and pulls a decent draft. The chimney is central to the house. The boiler is a Slant/Fin L20 with a Beckett AFG with a L1 head, Slant/Fin factory spec'd to run a .75 GPM nozzle 80A. Various techs have tried over and under firing with an "A" nozzle. A "B" nozzle has been installed this week firing .60. Pump pressure has been checked and set to 100psi and the electrodes set up with a Beckett 501 gauge. I found some info about a Beckett Low Firing Baffle which I don't have but appears recommended by Beckett for low firing burners like mine. I'm wondering if the extra pressure from the AFG burner is overpowering the small combustion chamber without this baffle causing the positive overfire when adjusted to trace smoke, dialing down the air shutter brings back the negative overfire but chokes off the air. Any info on this baffle...

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Jay (ND)

12-19-2004 11:33:15




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 Re: Oil burner problems OT in reply to sooty, 12-18-2004 18:14:47  
I'm pretty sure that it's supposed to have a B nozzle in it. Also, has the burner been removed completely? 2 reasons - you can only get the correct drawer depth by removing the burner completely and using the guage on the burner head end. Also, I've seen furnaces do this when a hunk of crap gets dislodged and falls in front of the burner.



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Bob

12-18-2004 12:41:36




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 Re: Oil burner problems OT in reply to sooty, 12-18-2004 11:35:08  
When they come out and measure the draft, it is with the furnace operating, and the chimney HOT, so there is good draft.

Often, chimneys, especially those on the ouside wall of the house, have little or no draft when cold, or are not high enough in relation to surrounding roof peaks or buildings, and can even down draft when cold.

So, every time the furnace starts a new cycle, and the chimney has cooled, there is little or no draft for the first minute or two of operation, and that's enough to soot up the furnace.

Cleaning the chimney (if needed), increasing it's height, or installing a draft inducer fan that starts before the burner MAY help.

(Of course, if there are any problems with the furnace that have been overlooked, the chimeny may not be the problem, but I have personally worked with a number of installations that were sooting up due to the reasons I've mentioned and draft improvements cured the problem.)

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Northman1962

12-25-2004 20:03:01




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 Re: Oil burner problems OT in reply to Bob, 12-18-2004 12:41:36  
Your tech that comes out should be able to call R W Becketts tech support number when he/she is there and talk to Beckett eng. for the correct settings including to correct nozzle/air setting/pump pressure/and Z dimmension. You can not always go by the MFG. manual find someone that will contact R.W.Beckett.I just serviced one where the MFG manual called for a .75 80B an F1 head and 100psi pump press I could not get it to run right and contacted Beckett ,they told me to use .65 70B with an F3 head at 125psi the correct air shutter setting and the correct Z dim it now runs great with 0 smoke so my advice I guess is to find a certifide tech to work on it some one who has completed one of Becketts classes.

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