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HF adapter for AC welder/TIG

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Paul in WI

12-16-2004 14:54:01




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Any one ever use a HF adapter with your AC welder or used one to make a TIG out of a AC box?
The HF sure makes welding a lot easyer. It makes using 7018 rod seam like I am pourin glue as I run accross the seam.

Is the HF adapter a good way to make a TIG? I have a gas MIG so all I would need is a torch.

Your thoughts please and thanks.

Paul




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T_Bone

12-18-2004 03:50:07




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 Re: HF adapter for AC welder/TIG in reply to Paul in WI, 12-16-2004 14:54:01  
Hi Paul,

HF units normally jump out HF usage when on DC current slection as there not made to orperate on DC. Well I say that and basicly there nothing more than a radio tranmitter design so in reality it shouldn't bother anything even on DC.

On some machines you can get HF for arc starting only while in the DC mode. That does help with starting electrodes but cuts off the HF once the arc is established.

As far as continous use of HF while using the DC mode, it may very well help some brands of 7018 electrodes. I can't say as I never tried it.

A HF add on unit has a duty cycle to adhere too just like machines but it more critcal of duty cycle usage as alot of untis don't have overload protection.

Most of the more costly HF units have the lock out on DC mode use.

The add on HF units you can find anything possible as there is no standard the mfg's have to build by.

I can say from using Chemtron 7018, I've never seen a finer electrode made. Easy to start with extremely good flow qualitys.

T_Bone

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Fred OH

12-17-2004 07:52:18




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 Re: HF adapter for AC welder/TIG in reply to Paul in WI, 12-16-2004 14:54:01  
I have a Hobart High Frequency unit that I hooked up to my Airco Bumble Bee. I couldn"t notice any difference...so will someone tell me again the correct proceedure to hook it up and where to hook up the 120 volt power cord to it...and should it be in phase with the welder or out of phase? Fred OH



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Paul in WI

12-17-2004 17:57:45




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 Re: HF adapter for AC welder/TIG in reply to Fred OH, 12-17-2004 07:52:18  
I have a Sears unit. It is wired so that the hot wire from the AC box goes to the IN on HF unit and then the OUT on HF unit is then the lead for the clamp for your rod holder and/or TIG torch. The two grounds are tied togther.



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Fred OH

12-18-2004 06:04:30




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 Re: HF adapter for AC welder/TIG in reply to Paul in WI, 12-17-2004 17:57:45  
Thanks Paul, I think you just told me that I had mine hooked up wrong (and named wrong.) It"s a Miller HI Freq unit that I have and it has four 1/2" cable mounts on the front with each labeled electrode or ground, so, two in, two out It also has a power cord that plugs into 120 volts. There is also two toggle switchs on it and a variable switch that is graduated from zero to one hundred. I used to have a Lincoln Hi Freq unit on a Lincoln Idealarc welder but I bought it new and had the manual to hook it up with. So far seems I"m electrically challenged on this hi freq. This unit seems healthy built...I just seen "rated at 500 amps-60% duty cycle" on the label. Thats better than the water cooled Lincoln that I had...as I recall. Fred OH

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Rod (NH)

12-16-2004 15:39:23




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 Re: HF adapter for AC welder/TIG in reply to Paul in WI, 12-16-2004 14:54:01  
Hi Paul,

Before I could afford a "real" TIG welder, I had an Airco HF unit hooked onto a little Lincoln 225AC/125DC buzzbox. It worked fine. The control is not the best w/o the foot-type variable amp feature but it worked and enabled me to pretty much avoid the "scratch-start" that was required before I had the unit. The lowest fixed DC amp rating (30) on the buzzbox was really too high for some sheet steel work I was doing. I also had an old 20-70 amp AC Sears welder that I hooked up to feed through the rectifier on the Lincoln to get a little lower-amp DC. That worked also for the 20 or 22 gage steel I was working with. Yes, the HF does seem to help with regular stick, especially since I can't stick weld worth a damn anyway - at least out of position :o). As I recall, the little buzzbox didn't appreciate high AC tig for aluminum though. The 50 amp feed breaker would trip rather easily. I think that was due to some inbalance in the transformer design since it was never intended for that purpose.

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mike brown

12-17-2004 10:45:04




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 Re: HF adapter for AC welder/TIG in reply to Rod (NH), 12-16-2004 15:39:23  
I have used hf to stick weld also on the advice of an old welding pro. It seemed to make it easier to strike and arc . I happened to read the owners manual one dull day and it specificly warned against doing that due to potential shock to the operator. If anyone knows more about that possibility please jump in. I don't want to get zapped or have it happen to anyone else.



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