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OT...Sediment build-up in hot water tank

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Big Bob

12-16-2004 12:20:52




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The elements in my hot water tank get covered with white sediment, just like the kitchen kettle, all too regularly. Eventually the bottom of the tank is quite corrupted with it. I know with the kettle the wife will boil it with baking soda and the sediment then loosens up and comes out the spout. Can anyone help me with a solution for the hot water tank other than draining it and scraping the elements? The problem with that method (other than the obvious) is that it doesn't prevent the buildup in the bottom of the tank. Ideas?

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Fred OH

12-17-2004 08:16:14




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 Re: OT...Sediment build-up in hot water tank in reply to Big Bob, 12-16-2004 12:20:52  
Older water heater operating manual said to drain a bucket full of water once a month from the bottom of it. Another thing that will help is to turn the water temperature down...if you turn it down to around 120 degrees the elements seem to last for years instead of months...(wife will protest though). If you"re really determined to remove all the buildup in the tank...you"ll need to remove it and repeatedly scrape and flush with a garden hose. The reason the fellows replace the cheap bib type valve on the bottom is that it gets buildup on it too and might even twist off the handle trying to drain...and then you"re in a heap of trouble with no way out...so, replace it! Fred OH

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MarkB_MI

12-16-2004 17:10:43




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 Re: OT...Sediment build-up in hot water tank in reply to Big Bob, 12-16-2004 12:20:52  
Get a water softener. Your wife will think you're a genius: no more mineral deposits in the bathroom, it will take only couple of tablespoons of laundry deterget per load and taking a shower in soft water is a whole new experience. You won't have to do nearly so much plumbing repair.

The earlier criticisms of water softeners are valid, but the newer water softeners use much less salt. The real problem is not so much how much salt the water softener USES, it's how much salt it WASTES. The older softeners use a timer for regeneration, so if you don't use much water, a lot of unused salt goes down the drain. The newer softeners have computers and regenerate "on demand", so there is very little wasted salt.

For drinking and cooking, it's a good idea to also have a reverse osmosis unit to remove the sodium from the softened water. (Water softeners work by exchanging sodium or potassium for the "hard" minerals in the water.)

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Ramrod

12-16-2004 15:14:41




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 Re: OT...Sediment build-up in hot water tank in reply to Big Bob, 12-16-2004 12:20:52  
You can drain and clean your tank as Don says, and you can use some muriatic acid to get what's left in the tank, then flush the acid water mix and repeat until the tank is spotless. You can replace the heaters with lifetime guaranteed heaters, and also replace the sacrificial anode to help with the corrision, I hear, but have never done the anode thing. My final solution was a water softner using Potassium Chloride, plus a couple of RO sysyems for drinking water, and I like it.

Ramrod

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Craig TN

12-16-2004 15:14:07




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 Re: OT...Sediment build-up in hot water tank in reply to Big Bob, 12-16-2004 12:20:52  
You might try replacing your elements with "sandhog" style elements. They are designed to last several times longer than straight elements in hard water conditions.

I've never tried them but a fellow I know helped test them at state industries and swears by them. They may carry a longer warranty also. You might have to go to an appliance supply to get them or mail order as I've never seen them at a big box hardware.

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Steve/TN

12-16-2004 12:43:43




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 Re: OT...Sediment build-up in hot water tank in reply to Big Bob, 12-16-2004 12:20:52  
I have the same problem and have wondered about it. This deposit is calcium and its build up is the cause of most element failures. I talked to the head man of our water department this morning. He said that high calcium is known as hard water. So...could we just install a water softener?



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txblu

12-18-2004 06:33:55




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 Re: OT...Sediment build-up in hot water tank in reply to Steve/TN, 12-16-2004 12:43:43  
My area is high in alkali. It turns the sacrifice element rusty red in about 7 years which is the same time the tank develops a leak regardless of how "top of the line" the tank is. Have been here 25 years and have put in 5 or so new ones. (For those dividing the numbers, I installed a second heater, in a second location, a few years ago. Grin)

Mark



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DON TN

12-16-2004 14:16:02




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 Re: OT...Sediment build-up in hot water tank in reply to Steve/TN, 12-16-2004 12:43:43  
As you have correctly stated, the problem is large amounts of calcium dissolved in your water, which is commonly referred to as hard water. What happens in a hot water heater is that the amount of dissolved calcium that water can hold actually decreases as the water is heated, forcing the calcium to precipitate, or come out of the water. While the calcium is dissolved in the water, it is normally in the form of calcium bicarbonate, which is readily dissolved into water. When the calcium precipitates, or comes out of the water, it normally does so in the form of calcium carbonate, which is a form that will not readily re-dissolve back into the water, thus resulting in the scale on the elements and the sludge in the bottom of the tank. A water softener that is properly sized and continually maintained will eliminate the scale and sludge problem, but it will not clean up what is already in your tank. Note that the softener will add sodium to the water that is treated. This is because the normal softener works by exchanging the calcium in the water for sodium (or potassium) that is in salt which you have to add to the softener to cause it to work.
My well water, in Southern-Middle Tennessee is very hard, 70 grains per gallon. When I used a softener, I would use a little over 2,000 pounds (one ton) of salt per year. That is not good for your health, the septic tank, or any streams that the waste water may get into. I now use a reverse osmosis system to treat my water and am much more satisfied. The initial cost is more, but in the long run it probably cost close to the same as a maintained softener.
In the meantime, as far as your hot water heater goes, drain and clean it out. Pull your element and clean it off too. Buy a metal ball valve that will fit in place of the existing �useless� valve that is at the bottom of your tank (usually � or � inch pipe thread). Also, get the suitable size pipe-thread-to-hose fitting for your new valve and install them in place of the existing valve. Get a large diameter garden hose that will reach from the tank to the outside, preferably without having to go any higher that the bottom of the tank. Once a month, connect the hose, run it outside, and rapidly open the ball valve wide open for 10 to 20 seconds. Close it and repeat again several times until there is no more debris coming out of your hose. Before I got my reverse osmosis system, I would flush my tank every month, which kept the tank bottom clean and stopped the elements from burning out every six months. If your water is not as hard as mine, you can probably get by with less frequent flushes

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FarmerDave

12-18-2004 05:18:01




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 Re: OT...Sediment build-up in hot water tank in reply to DON TN, 12-16-2004 14:16:02  
What an informative post. You need a gold star.



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Jerry/MT

12-17-2004 10:00:03




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 Re: OT...Sediment build-up in hot water tank in reply to DON TN, 12-16-2004 14:16:02  
I read a report that was based on some research that was done by the septic tank folks that water softeners for home use had no detrimental effects to septic tank performance or operation.



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Steve/TN

12-17-2004 03:49:20




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 Re: OT...Sediment build-up in hot water tank in reply to DON TN, 12-16-2004 14:16:02  
Thanks



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Jay (ND)

12-16-2004 19:17:18




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 Re: OT...Sediment build-up in hot water tank in reply to DON TN, 12-16-2004 14:16:02  
That's exactly what I do - I have a quarter turn ball valve in place. I probably turn it on for 5 seconds once a week. Keeps it good and clean.

The one thing, you mentioned about septic systems. Reverse osmosis isn't great on the septic system either. Under ideal conditions (60 degree water, low TDS) a RO unit throws away 2 gallons for every gallon it makes into your septic system. Under less than ideal situations, it can be much higher. Still, an RO unit is a great way to go. I love mine.

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