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dave blakeman

12-16-2004 07:27:30




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All those giving electrical advice are at least part wrong.Wiring is not a hobby.Without getting into details a four prong cord gets a four conductor cable from the main breaker panel.What you should do is hire a qualified electrical contractor,licened if required by the state.I am holder of N.J.e10867 contractors license[and do not do residential work].




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MarkB_MI

12-16-2004 17:42:55




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 Re: electrical wiring in reply to dave blakeman , 12-16-2004 07:27:30  
Dave,

Your license expired a year and a half ago. So that makes you a hobbyist, just like the rest of us.

Lighten up a bit. A lot of the folks here don't have a licensed electrician within a hundred miles of them, at least not a sober one. If they can't get advice here, they'll just wing it on their own.

Your search for Electrical Contractor with the name blakeman generated 1 match.
Name: BLAKEMAN, DAVID J
Address: OLD TAPPAN, NJ 07675-7201
License Number: 34EI01086700
License Status: Inactive
Expiration Date: 31-MAR-03

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KMSD

12-18-2004 15:40:24




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 Re: electrical wiring in reply to MarkB_MI, 12-16-2004 17:42:55  
Just because your inactive does not mean your not a licensed electrian....I am licensed in SD...Alot of guys go inactive after they retire from the business but they are still every bit as licensed as any other electrian....



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PaGlenn

12-17-2004 12:14:45




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 Re: electrical wiring in reply to MarkB_MI, 12-16-2004 17:42:55  
If you have to do the wiring on your own, and are not certified. I suggest having the job inspected by one certified to do so. When the contractor wired elect to my pole barn the power company required an inspection before they added
power to the barn. The inspection cost me $90.00.
Not an out-of-line charge for being safe.



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txblu

12-16-2004 10:17:58




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 Re: electrical wiring in reply to dave blakeman , 12-16-2004 07:27:30  
No disrespect intended, but the county inspects all new construction including electrical wiring, to the NEC, latest edition, in my county of residence.

Having significant construction experience (of my own) and being a qualified EE for the past 36 years, I have, and am familiar with, the NEC book and am capable of making my own wiring decisions..... ...to be verified by the county; and in the case of the entrance "service" by the power company.

But those in need should get help; do not disagree with that.

Case in point.

Was president of the local water supply corp. Had a newbie move in and install his own pump and all. Called me up one night to help him with a problem. Went to have a look-see. He had wired his pump to his building wiring alright, but he didn't understand that the power, return, and safety ground conductors had to be insulated from each other at the point of service. He had them all wadded together and elect taped over the mess.

Mark

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FarmerDave

12-16-2004 09:55:15




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 Re: electrical wiring in reply to dave blakeman , 12-16-2004 07:27:30  
While I'm at it Dave, what's the chance you showed up here wanting free advice on fixin your tractor? Maybe we should ask you if you're willing to answer electrical questions before we allow you to post questions. Fixin tractors is a business, too.



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john in la

12-16-2004 11:13:15




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 Re: electrical wiring in reply to FarmerDave, 12-16-2004 09:55:15  
Well FarmerDave I see where you are coming from and agree that fixing tractors is a business.

The point I think was trying to be made was that fixing your tractor wrong from bad advise may cost you thousands of dollars in a motor rebuild at worse but hooking 1 electrical wire up wrong in your house could burn your house down while you sleep. Just not the same.

But on the other hand I have seen a lot of people mostly in the plumbing and electrical field that feel giving out free advise just cuts into their pocketbook.
Never know.... He may be a union man and trying to protect his brother union man's job.

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Coloken

12-16-2004 09:50:02




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 Re: electrical wiring in reply to dave blakeman , 12-16-2004 07:27:30  
Yes, you are 100 percent corect, but- We are farmers, should we hire a certified diesel mechanic every time out tractor needs some work? Should we hire a collage educated engineer to design our cow barn? Should we hire an insured contractor to dig up the yard, danger of wires and such? How about climbing the windmill to oil it wihout a safety belt? You get my idea. I don't mean to jump all over you cause you are right, but you would have been better to just say "be care full with that stuff"

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farmweld

12-19-2004 14:22:34




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 Re: electrical wiring in reply to Coloken, 12-16-2004 09:50:02  
i like your thinking.
farmers arent rich people, and we take shortcuts anywhere we can. oh well
farmweld



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FarmerDave

12-16-2004 09:23:41




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 Re: electrical wiring in reply to dave blakeman , 12-16-2004 07:27:30  
So you're an electrician. Have you ever tried to make a dollar farming? Do you know what a small farmers profit margins are?



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KMSD

12-18-2004 15:47:56




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 Re: electrical wiring in reply to FarmerDave, 12-16-2004 09:23:41  
Electrical work is a cut throat business too...There is always someone willing to work cheaper then you and run you right out of business....its hard to make a dollar with all the guys out there anymore...my local town of 1800 people has 6 electrians in it!!! like i said very cut throat...



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buickanddeere

12-16-2004 11:59:46




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 Re: electrical wiring in reply to FarmerDave, 12-16-2004 09:23:41  
Are you saying we should relax safety requirments for people on limited budgets. I knew farming was poverty living at best but liked the other advantages. So I worked my butt off while most of the other guys my age were getting loans for expensive vehicles and partying. They are still poor while my cashflow is secure and my farm is a hobby. If the crop fails, so what. It's a tax write off.

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FarmerDave

12-16-2004 13:04:24




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 Re: electrical wiring in reply to buickanddeere, 12-16-2004 11:59:46  
Nobody said nothing about relaxing safety requirements. Now if there's a law that says you have to hire an electrician to work on your own property, we could discuss it.

Wiring a 220V receptacle reminds me of drawing a line from the donkey on one side of the page to the donkey on the other side of the page in kindergarden, black on brass, white on silver, bare on green ...



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CNKS

12-16-2004 07:48:17




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 Re: electrical wiring in reply to dave blakeman , 12-16-2004 07:27:30  
That's what I have done. I use this board for ideas and to educate myself about various options. But, It's the local electrician that either does it or tells me what to do.



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dave blakeman

12-16-2004 14:48:42




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 Re: electrical wiring in reply to CNKS, 12-16-2004 07:48:17  
First of all I wasnt responding to the question of anyone,nor was I trying to insinuat that a homeowner cant work on his own [single family] dwelling.All I was saying is alot of people were part wrong about the elec advice on the dryer ground.There is a grounded nuetral,grounding conductor[often green in certain circuits etc.]two entirely diferent conductors.One crries current normally one is soley to operate the circuit breaker in a fault situation period. Since it only takes 50 miiliamps to stop the heart grounding is critical.Grounding is a large section of the code often studied in a tech school as an entire couse. Also the ground rod is a supplementary ground that should only go aspot in the main gear or panel.SO IN CLOSING DONT ELECTRCUTE YOUR WIFE OR FAMILY IF YOUR NOT SURE YOUR EQUPMENT IS PROPERLY GROUNDED.NOW ANYBODY CARE ABOUT THAT NOISE IN MY TRACTOR OR ARE YOU ALL PISSED OFF ABOUT MY BAD ELECTRICAL ADVICE.

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d.blakeman

12-16-2004 15:56:12




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 Re: electrical wiring in reply to dave blakeman , 12-16-2004 14:48:42  
OK,FarmerDave,its allright to give me advice now.I just tryed to help a guy out with his buddys golf cart[fouled spark plugs].Some old advice from my days as a motorcycle mechanic.Oh and please tell me more about your impoversed life as a farmer.Maybe you could start an apprenticeship at something new if OK LET ME STOP THE SARCASM I AM ABOUT TO ENGAGE IN AND ASK YOU THIS? How about you come to JerseyCity and work in the stink between the turnpike cancer alley Doremus Ave Newark.You pull some wire,put up a few light poles Ill come to your farm plow all day milk the cows by hand whatever you want done.Us city slickers dont have but one or two acres anyhow.Just one thing IM LAID OFF.

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dave blakeman

12-16-2004 16:27:38




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 Re: electrical wiring in reply to d.blakeman, 12-16-2004 15:56:12  
Damn I ran outa room bitchin about FarmerDaves annoying profit margin comment.Never said I was an electrical contractor.Just passed the state requirement to hold a license.All farmers aint poor all electricians aint rich.Its still a free country as far as job choice.So I geuss what im saying is if you aint making money farming do something else dont cry about someone elses wages or fortune in life.FARMERDAVE DONT BE ACOMMIE PLOT TO DISGRACE CAPITALISM.THANK YOU

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FarmerDave

12-16-2004 17:07:21




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 Re: electrical wiring in reply to dave blakeman , 12-16-2004 16:27:38  
I used to have a nice high tech job. But they either sent it to India or they brought an Indian here to take it. Now I worry I am going to live the life of an impoverished Indian peasant.

I don't want you to milk my cows. I want you to go in the crowding pen with the bull. I don't why they call them cow boys, cows are easy.

People should not be afraid of posting dumb questions or electricity. People should respect electricity. I stand by my claim that wiring a 220V receptacle is usually not rocket science.

I suspect they'll be happy to get your golf cart running. We'd like to know how to get lightning to stop blowing up our motion sensor lights.

You get a little advice here and you hope to give some back. And you always should remember around here - you are getting free advice.

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Big Jim

12-17-2004 00:33:31




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 Re: electrical wiring in reply to FarmerDave, 12-16-2004 17:07:21  
It is a fact that people, especially in rural areas, are going to do some of their own wiring and it is often legal. I prefer to give some advice on the chance it will get done correctly than just tell them to call an electrician. It usually only takes one or two posts to figure out if someone is in way over their head. Then is when I STRONGLY suggest qualified help. I am not a licensed electrician but I have over 20 years experience in the field. I just happen to have worked for government agencies who set their own requirements and don't require licenses. I've had y hands on everything from 13.2 kilovolt distribution to 5 volt logic. While it isn't rocket science, there are some basics that have to be followed. Getting grounds and neutrals right is one of the more confusing parts and is essential to a safe installation. (There is an EGC and a GEC and they are different). I like to see a pro involved at some point if we are dealing with over 20 amp circuits.

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d.blakeman

12-17-2004 09:03:59




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 Re: electrical wiring in reply to Big Jim, 12-17-2004 00:33:31  
Try to give advice on the computer,next thing you know some guy Mark B is doing a background check on you and posting [incorrect] info about the status of your electrical contractors license and what town you live in.I have four different cards in my wallet that qualify me as a journeyman electrician and one for high[medium] voltage splicing.I am also a factory trained Harley-Davidson mechanic.From now on Ill stick to my shop not this dopey new computer.

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Sorry-MarkB

12-17-2004 11:54:09




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 Re: electrical wiring in reply to d.blakeman, 12-17-2004 09:03:59  
Dave,

Sorry. I was out of line. Unfortunately, once I hit the "post" button it was too late.

I do not doubt that you are a well-qualified electrician.

MarkB



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d.blakeman

12-17-2004 13:19:47




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 Re: electrical wiring in reply to Sorry-MarkB, 12-17-2004 11:54:09  
Mark B no harm done.I am new to computers and was at first a little shocked to read my info.Thought you were homeland security or FBIor something.Then my grandson told me you never putyour name or psychos will come to your house and kill you.I dont really mind that type of thing much.And I am Dave Blakeman from Old TappanE10867[inactive]or Ndba[not doing business].This means I am uninsured therefore cant get permits.bonded+insured I can right away.

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MarkB_MI

12-17-2004 14:09:18




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 Re: electrical wiring in reply to d.blakeman, 12-17-2004 13:19:47  
Dave,

Your grandson is right. Use a handle, don't use your real name. Realize that every post on this site gets indexed by Google. If someone googles on your name, every post you make here will come up.

The kooks you need to worry about aren't the ones that will come to your house. The ones you have to worry about want to steal your identity. Don't give them any ammunition if you can help it. As you see, there's a lot of information about you on the net already

Regards,
mark

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T_Bone

12-18-2004 03:21:58




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 Re: electrical wiring in reply to MarkB_MI, 12-17-2004 14:09:18  
Hi Dave,

Since this thread contians your personal info, I personaly would

click on expand, then click on report to moderator to delete. (left side)

Ask Kim to delete this thread as it contians personal info.

I would advise never to use real names or give leading info on the internet other than while on a 128bit/SSL website.

With your correct name and date of birth, your idenity can be stolen.

T_Bone

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