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Vern

12-13-2004 16:31:25




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I read all the archives about sharpening the chains and alot of good advice but one question that I have is how many strokes with the file do you make? I know that it will depend on how dull the blade is but approximately how many or do you look at the chain or do you feel of the chain to see how sharp it is. I know stupid question but you don't learn if you don't ask. Thanks




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Jt

12-15-2004 12:41:20




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 Re: Sharpening chain saw in reply to Vern, 12-13-2004 16:31:25  
Sharpening is an art that you cannot desribe owr tell how many strokes to do what. It depneds on what you have cut, how much, the kind of chain you use, etc. If you use used oil, you get a lot of extra dirt in your chain and bar groove and will dull a chain faster than clena bar oil. One thing to keep in mind when sharpening is to make sure each tooth is as sharp as the next. This is one reason why sometimes you put a chain on and it cuts in a half moon shape, one side is sharper than the other. Good luck, the quickest way to tell if it is sharp is to look at the leading edge and see if you see the cutting edge, if you look straight at it and can see dullness, then it is not sharpened right, you should see a razor edge on the end of the tooth, and nothing rolled over.
Jim

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RayP(MI)

12-14-2004 17:28:19




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 Re: Sharpening chain saw in reply to Vern, 12-13-2004 16:31:25  
I used to fight that out too - had one of those fancy-schmancy guides and all that trouble. One I had was supposed to even set the teeth so you took the same amount off each tooth. Then I got a Dremmel tool - with grinding stones the same diameter as the file I was using. Do it freehand now. Can sharpen saw in a few minutes, get it really sharp. Once you get the hang of it, you can do as good a job freehand as those cumbersome guides.

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Slofr8

12-14-2004 17:01:56




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 Re: Sharpening chain saw in reply to Vern, 12-13-2004 16:31:25  
I made my living with a chainsaw for four or five years back in the early '80's. One night after work (we stayed in lumber camps back then) we were working on our saws and I happened to watch an old Canadian chopper (cutter) filing his saw. He said to let the file ride rather high on the tooth untill you see the shape you want. Then put presure down and back to get a slight "hook" to your tooth. the top of the tooth should resemble the visor of your hat. Only takes 5 or 6 strokes unless you hit a rock or something. When you can see a very thin paper like piece of steel forming on the edge of the tooth, that's as sharp as you're going to get it. I go only by sight and can sharpen a 20" bar in about 5 minutes or less. One other thing he showed me was to file one side with my right hand and the other side with my left. "Don't get discuraged" he said "you'll get the hang of it" Indeed, and I'm glad I did. When your done, slide a piece of gas line over your file to protect it.
Good luck.

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Bill WI

12-14-2004 08:20:18




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 Re: Sharpening chain saw in reply to Vern, 12-13-2004 16:31:25  
Thanks for the very good link T-Bone. Just like to add, don't forget the rackers. I used to touch them everyother time, Otherwise the more you sharpen the less they'll cut. Go EASY though as you can't put it back on and too much will make it bite too hard and it just jerks and bounces and DANGEROUS. Madsons mentions using a gauge to do it right.We always went by experience and keep it even on both sides. I'm trying that tip with WD40 on the files too as the price of files and I can't pull'em outa the trash barrel at work and card'em anymore. Seems cards tickle peoples fingers at work and a lot of good files are thrown out. Bill

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Kevin (FL)

12-14-2004 07:48:51




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 Re: Sharpening chain saw in reply to Vern, 12-13-2004 16:31:25  
Looks like Joe & I are on the same page for this one. As a teenager many years ago, I watched an old fellow (our neighbor) sharpen our chainsaws--he did it with a standard file holder/guide and charged my dad a dollar per saw. I came across a similar homelite file holder made out of cast aluminum and have used it for about 20 years now. We do a lot of cutting and I keep all our saws sharp. What I have found that works good is to not let the chain get dull. About every 45 minutes of cutting, I'll "dress" the chain with the file to keep it sharp. 3 or 4 firm strokes, forward direction only and make sure you're filing each of the teeth fully and use the right size file. I can sharpen a 20" chain in about 10 minutes or less, but as I said, the chain teeth are not damaged or anything. Also, I use plenty of bar oil when cutting the wood, since we have plenty of used Rotella in drums. That helps the life of the chain and bar too. Once you get the feel of the file cutting and use the right angle, it's like lighting a fire--just becomes second nature.

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T_Bone

12-14-2004 03:19:30




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 Re: Sharpening chain saw in reply to Vern, 12-13-2004 16:31:25  
Hi vern,

Read this website as it makes understanding chain sharpening very easy.

T_Bone



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jeffcat

12-13-2004 23:51:35




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 Re: Sharpening chain saw in reply to Vern, 12-13-2004 16:31:25  
Something everyone forgot to tell you. To sharpen is a Zen thing. One post said it is very relaxing and I say ditto. Keep a couple chains ahead and ditto again. The number of swipes with a file is when you get it sharp. This sounds silly but if you sharpen knifes, wood chisels or the blade for a wood plain, you mostly know how. Now here is where I feel everyone else missed. Buy a NEW chain, put it in the vise and with a very gentle touch FEEL how it feels when it IS sharp. Take one or two careful swipes from the outside edge of the tooth with the correct size file and you will learn real quick. It will finish with a very smooth and shinny inner surface within the gullet. It is not that hard and you feel great pride. I have four sizes of files to cover what I have. 1/8 to 1/4 covers most anything today. Be brave and you can do it. PS when you get it right---be carefull cause those sharp chains will cut your little piddies! jeffcat

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big jt

12-13-2004 23:25:55




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 Re: Sharpening chain saw in reply to Vern, 12-13-2004 16:31:25  
Hi

I used to sharpen my by hand. Did it in a vice. As for how many strokes. I kept working until each tooth was sharp. I figured a 20" chain would take me about half a hour.

Got a bench top grinder like mentioned in a previous post. Cuts the time down a lot. I also like to have 3 chains per bar. Lets me sharpen at my leisure. This is one job that I enjoy if I can do it at my own pace, it is sort of relaxing.

HTH

jt

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NC Wayne

12-13-2004 20:27:34




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 Re: Sharpening chain saw in reply to Vern, 12-13-2004 16:31:25  
If you do a good bit of cutting, or even if you don't and want to keep your blade as sharp as possible with as little work as possible, it pays to invest a little extra money and get one of the bench mounted chain grinders. We got the smaller one (Oregon I think it is) from Northern for about $80 a couple years back and it has taken all the work out of keeping the blades sharp. Dad and I both keep 3 chains for our saws so when one happens to dull down for whatever reason it's simply a matter of changing it out. With two blades dull and the good one on the saw it's time to start sharpening. You have to set it for the first tooth on each blade but after that they all turn out so close to the same it doesn't matter. Filing is good for a touchup in the field, if it's not all that bad, but if it's really dull nothing beats a chain grinder.

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Joe Evans

12-13-2004 19:48:37




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 Re: Sharpening chain saw in reply to Vern, 12-13-2004 16:31:25  
I do my chain by both looks and feel.

It's amazing how sensitive the human touch to surfaces and texture. An index finger touch to the cutter of a chain instantly tells when a chain needs sharpened.

I will do four strokes with a file and guide. After these initial strokes, touch isn't much good in my opinion because now the leading edge's dull roundness is almost gone--this does not mean the cutter is sharp!

If the leading edge of a cutter reflects light, that is to say, looking directly down onto the top of a cutter, a dull edge will appear shinier than the rest of the cutter. This is due to the leading edge being lower and slightly rounded down than the remainder of the cutter's angled top profile and is acting like a sled runner. This dull lower edge gets polished during the cut because it tends to ride over the wood.

I file one cutter until it no longer reflects light, then I file the rest of the cutters using the same amount of strokes used to get the first one right. I will then do another visual and file all again if not up to par.

Happiness is a good, sharp and clean file. Liberal doses of WD-40 on file during sharpening keeps the filings from piling in the gullets. WD-40 is used on the file after filing to keep it from corroding, too. I have several flat mill files new 25 years ago that are almost as good as new. A file card is a good tool, too.

Note: the PC software used on this forum kicked out my original message when I tried to use a common term for a common type of file. The word is synonymous with "illigetimate offspring" (ba$tard).

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Sam#3

12-13-2004 17:19:36




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 Re: Sharpening chain saw in reply to Vern, 12-13-2004 16:31:25  
When filing a chain dulled by wear and not blunted I do three strokes, test by feel. If OK do the remainder, if not, one stroke and test until I like then finsh using the total number of strokes on each tooth. If the teeth have been blunted by running into a rock or cutting dead branches etc. all bets are off. They can be salvaged but take of lot of work with a file. Just remember to trim all teeth the same amount. Also check and trim the rakers.

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Scott Green

12-13-2004 17:00:57




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 Re: Sharpening chain saw in reply to Vern, 12-13-2004 16:31:25  
It's been a while. I use to touch up my chain every night after cutting all day. Seams as if I would use 4 - 6 strokes of the file. If it looked good , I would very litely run my fingers down the chain to see if each tooth had the edge I was looking for. Use to be very good at this. If the teeth on one side of the chain look longer than the teeth on the other side , you may want to give the longer teeth a couple extra strokes of the file. With enough practice , you will get to the point where every tooth on both sides of the chain , all the way around will be even , with the same amount of under cut.

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Ian Davies

12-18-2004 22:54:32




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 Re: Sharpening chain saw in reply to Scott Green, 12-13-2004 17:00:57  
Pretty well covered heres some other tips.
To keep the saw steady in the field put a cut a few inches deep into a branch lying on the ground, and sharpen the saw with the bar positioned in the notch. make sure the file is the right size for the chain and when sharpening try to keep file level and the same angle as the tooth. Use a flat file on the guides once every 7 or 8 times you file the saw. Dont take too much off the guide or the saw will kick back which has a tendency to make widows. take enough off to get a 1 inch long chip in soft wood ie willow take less off for hard timber Always start the saw on the ground unless you are left handed in which case its ok to start it between your legs. You will have that blade humming in not time.

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