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Flair Tool for Oil Lines

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Richard Fazio

12-12-2004 09:30:50




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I want to redo the oil lines on my 8N. My question is on how the flairs are done. I bought 1/4" steel brake lines to plumb the oil lines with. Brake flairs are double flairs I think. I don't think I need double flairs on these lines for the oil. Is a standard plumers flair tool ok to make the flairs? What is the difference between a double flair tool and single. I don't mind buying a double flair tool if I need it. When I look at double flair tools that are advertized for sale they look just like my single flair tool. There has to be some difference in the tool and way the flair is done correct?

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Johnski

12-14-2004 16:43:38




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 Re: Flair Tool for Oil Lines in reply to Richard Fazio, 12-12-2004 09:30:50  
In general use you will find that a double flare has the male threads on the line fitting and screws into the female fitting. A single flare has the female threads on the line fitting and screws onto the male fitting. The most common single flare is 45 degree. Hydraulic lines usually use a 37 degree. HTH

P.S. It"s called a double flare because just when you make a really nice one you see the flare nut on the bench and you have to cut the line, put the nut on and flare it again. ;>)

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Charles (in GA)

12-12-2004 14:02:28




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 Re: Flair Tool for Oil Lines in reply to Richard Fazio, 12-12-2004 09:30:50  
You do not need to double flare these lines for oil pressure. A single flare on a steel line will handle 2000 or 3000 psi easily if done carefully and the tube is not cracked during the flare.

Make sure the angle of your flare matches the fittings you are attaching to.

Most automotive and industrial fittings are 45 degree, and aircraft are 37 degree, and require different tooling due to the different angle.

The double flaring is done to provide additional strength and sealing in a brake system where the pressures are rather high.

Charles

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Richard Fazio

12-13-2004 05:43:20




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 Re: Flair Tool for Oil Lines in reply to Charles (in GA), 12-12-2004 14:02:28  
Charles I tend to agree with you . But after checking around with help from the guys on this board the double flair is not a big deal. I can get the extra dies I need probably very cheap. What the heck I'll go out and get them, this way I have them for the future and I do a good job now. From everything I've read the tubing is meant to be double flaired. It may crack or split otherwise. Probably only cause a slight leak, maybe. A lot of guys will use copper for this line then you can single flair it, but I don't like that idea either. Steel is the way to go.

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Bob

12-12-2004 14:44:45




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 Re: Flair Tool for Oil Lines in reply to Charles (in GA), 12-12-2004 14:02:28  
While not important for the low pressures here, the double flare is supposed to be more vibration resistant, and that mught be a good reason to double-flare the oil lines



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Richard Fazio

12-12-2004 12:58:58




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 Re: Flair Tool for Oil Lines in reply to Richard Fazio, 12-12-2004 09:30:50  
Thanks for the info guys. Now I know how to do it and why you do it.



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Mike M

12-12-2004 10:20:28




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 Re: Flair Tool for Oil Lines in reply to Richard Fazio, 12-12-2004 09:30:50  
Our local NAPA store carries those mandrals seperate.



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Bob

12-12-2004 10:01:02




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 Re: Flair Tool for Oil Lines in reply to Richard Fazio, 12-12-2004 09:30:50  
You can make double flares with a regular flaring tool with the addition of a set of little "mandrels?" of various sizes to match the tubing you're working with.

You clamp the steel line in the flaring tool clamp with slightly more protruding than you would normally have to make a single flare. Then you drop the "mandrel" or "die" into to end of the tube, and clamp it with the flaring tool. This squishes the steel tubing inward. Then you remove the "mandrel", and clamp down the flaring tool as you normally would. This doubles the flare down onto itself, producing the double flare.

So if you already have a standard flaring tool, all's you need is the double flare adapters.

And, be prepared to make some practice flares, and be prepared to be aggravated.

Here's a link to someone's site showing how the process works:

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Joe (Wa)

12-12-2004 09:56:23




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 Re: Flair Tool for Oil Lines in reply to Richard Fazio, 12-12-2004 09:30:50  
How to link.



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