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Roger in St.Lou

12-10-2004 17:04:26




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Alright . I admit it. I do not know how to sharpen a regular twist drill bit and am wondering just how it is done. My dad was a machinist but that was one thing he never taught me to do properly. Is there a sharpener tool device available somewhere. I have all his machinist tools and still cannot sharpen the bits. HELP




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Kevin (FL)

12-12-2004 06:25:30




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 Re: Drill bit sharpening in reply to Roger in St.Louis, 12-10-2004 17:04:26  
Roger,

Lots of good advice here already so I won't add to technique--but I will say a few words about grinding the bit. Be careful not to overheat the bit, take your time, apply light pressure when grinding and have a can of water nearby to cool the bit in between tries. If you heat the cutting surface up too much, the temper of the drill bit will be changed and then it'll be either too brittle and crack easy or too soft and not cut. Last comment--maybe obvious to most folks, wear safety glasses and watch your fingers--they grind real easy too!!

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Mike Burdick

12-11-2004 16:26:27




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 Re: Drill bit sharpening in reply to Roger in St.Louis, 12-10-2004 17:04:26  
Roger,

For hand sharpening, here's a link. Scroll down a bit (no pun intended).

Link

- Mike



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Jet9N

12-11-2004 15:00:40




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 Re: Drill bit sharpening in reply to Roger in St.Louis, 12-10-2004 17:04:26  
I've done quite a few sharpenings in my time. I
hold the drill between the index finger and thumb tips of my left hand. Rest the knuckle of the index
finger on the tool rest of the grinder with the drill angled 31* to the left, holding the shank of the drill with the right hand. (31* from 90* gives you
59*). This should position the cutting edge parallel to
the face of the grinding wheel when the cutting
edge is horizotal. Rock the shank end
of the drill on the fulcrum created by your grip of the left hand. Practice will tell you how to time the rocking motion to achieve the proper amount
of clearance. (The rearward slope referred to in some of the other posts). As Sawtooth said trial
and error will get you results. If you have any
aluminum around it is great to check for uniform
cut on both lips of the drill. Small drills are a
bear to get right and large drills have less tolerance
than the 1/4 to 1/2 diameter drills. Just like learning to play piano. Practice, practice, practice!!

HTH

Jet

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wdTom

12-11-2004 07:52:36




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 Re: Drill bit sharpening in reply to Roger in St.Louis, 12-10-2004 17:04:26  
Get a drill point gage, about $8-20 from machine tool catalogs/industrial suppliers

Get a new about 1/2" drill. Hold it to the belt sander (best) or grinder (works but not as easy) and study how to hold it togrind the angles.Do this with the belt sander off until you are ready to grind a dull drill. Hold it with the cutting edge you are sharpening up,shank of the drill to the left. The cutting edge should be horizontal. The shank lower than the point by a little. When you grind a slight upward motion of the point works for me. You need to grind each side (cutting edge) equally and to the same angle, holding the drill in the drill point gage tells you this. the leading edge,(cutting edge) needs to be "higher" than the trailing edge or it won't cut. To tell this hold the drill verticle infront of youwith the point up, slowly rotate it and see if thecutting edge is higher than the trailing edge. It is easier to learn on drills in the 5/16 go 1/2" range I think before going smaller or larger. After grinding hand stone the edges to a smooth surface, not changing the angles, to make the drill stay sharp longer. With a little practice you can save yourself the cost of a Drill Doctor, which works for a wile, but as the stone wears or the bushings wear, will not work as well. Some drills just don't seem to go well sometimes,but can usually be made to cut. If you get one of these, put it down and tr another one, come back to it later after you find it wasn't you, but the drill that was the problem.

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Allan in NE

12-11-2004 07:17:03




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 Re: Drill bit sharpening in reply to Roger in St.Louis, 12-10-2004 17:04:26  
Hi Roger,

The whole secret to that little task is to make sure you get the bit edge ground at the same exact angle as it was originally, but more importantly, you must make sure that you take just slightly more material off the heel than the face. And it doesn't take much; just a second or two against the wheel.

Takes a little practice, but in time you'll be able to just "feel" the angle of the grind.

Heck, I wouldn't buy a jig or a tool, just do it freehand using your shop grinding wheel.

Allan

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Kirk in MN

12-11-2004 05:42:23




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 Re: Drill bit sharpening in reply to Roger in St.Louis, 12-10-2004 17:04:26  
Roger,
For some one new to this task I would suggest getting a larger size(half inch or bigger) bit and study it carefully for all the angles it has on it. Think of how the grind was put on that drill and try to duplicate that. Most important are the lip relief,centered chisel and point angle in that order.

With some practice on the motion it takes to duplicate the grind you will be a pro in short order.

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JMS/MN

12-11-2004 01:16:26




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 Re: Drill bit sharpening in reply to Roger in St.Louis, 12-10-2004 17:04:26  
In the late 60s I worked my way through college via GI Bill and machine shops. Made a drill gauge in an Ag Engineering course, but before that, bought one (better one) at Sears for about three bucks, because I needed it at work. Still have it. (Now they don't sell them- they sell Drill Doctors). All you need is a drill gauge and a bit of instruction. Most critical point of instruction is that you need to remember to grind off the SHORT side of the drill to make it longer! Visit your local machine shop for a demo- why spend a C-note when you can do the same for a few bucks?

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big jt

12-10-2004 22:24:53




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 Re: Drill bit sharpening in reply to Roger in St.Louis, 12-10-2004 17:04:26  
For the home owner to the profesional mechnic I would have to agree on the Drill Dr. Bought myself one a number of years ago and like it.

For bits above 3/4 I still need to do by hand which I learned to do in High School. We made a guide first which helped a lot (wish I could find it).

For the machine shops I wouldn't touch the Drill Dr. To slow. There are quite a few companies that make industrial sharpeners including Darex (they make the Drill Dr) but those units start at about $600 and go up. Industrial units are available from machine shop suppliers like J&L, MSC, Enco and the like.

HTH

jt

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John Garner

12-10-2004 22:03:06




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 Even better than a grinder . . . in reply to Roger in St.Louis, 12-10-2004 17:04:26  
Roger --

If you have a bench or floor model belt sander (or its heavier-duty cousin, the belt grinder), try using it instead of a grinder when you tackle hand-sharpening a twist drill. The flat abrasive surface makes it MUCH easier to hand-grind a good drill tip.

Next tip: Written instructions for grinding drills by hand are not gospel, just a guide to help a person get started. Some folks find it much easier to achieve good results holding the shank of the drill in their left hand with their right hand holding near the tip, other folks have to interchange hand positions to get good results.

John

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Fred OH

12-13-2004 11:16:41




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 Re: Even better than a grinder . . . in reply to John Garner, 12-10-2004 22:03:06  
And one thing about using a vertical belt sander to sharpen a twist drill...you need to get up there and really see what you"re doing and the next thing you know is you just sanded off the end of your cap bill. This applys to those over forty whom wear their ball cap in the conventional manner. Fred OH



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thurlow

12-13-2004 12:05:32




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 Re: Even better than a grinder . . . in reply to Fred OH, 12-13-2004 11:16:41  
Please explain the "wearing of the baseball caps backwards"; I'm half again past 40; never understood..... ..is it to shade the back of the neck? And another thing; when we go out to eat and the hostess asks, "How many? smoking or non-smoking?" We always ask for non-smoking..... and sometimes I ask if they have a non-cap section; they never do; so we sit there with half the men wearing their caps while they eat supper (dinner to you yuppies). My mother would have a conniption..... ....

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Fred OH

12-14-2004 06:48:12




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 Re: Even better than a grinder . . . in reply to thurlow, 12-13-2004 12:05:32  
thurlow...I"m 63...and I don"t know the why of the hat thing...same as you. And while we"re on the subject...another thing I would like to mention is ...did you ever watch someone sit down at a table or lunch counter and lay their hat on the table where eats are served? That to me is as bad or worse than wearing it while eating. If someone tried it at my house, they"d get invited to leave. I consider it as having no manners at all. Fred OH

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MAC,IL

12-10-2004 18:27:08




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 Re: Drill bit sharpening in reply to Roger in St.Louis, 12-10-2004 17:04:26  
Years ago when I worked in a machine shop, we hand sharpened them. However we had one guy that could do it Perfect. I never mastered his technique, but got by. Since then the Drill Dr. is the way to go. But it has to be set up properly. Model of course depends on need, as I think there are 3 different models of them. Seems the best is a bit over 100 bucks. Sears may have them on sale now since it is Christmas time.

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alvinnms

12-10-2004 17:22:39




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 Re: Drill bit sharpening in reply to Roger in St.Louis, 12-10-2004 17:04:26  
Roger, I borrowed my neighbors Drill Doctor , and the bits looked ok after being sharpened, but they were not as good as new. Could be my fault. MSC sent one of mine to Memphis, and it came back like new. alvinnms



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SteveB(wi)

12-10-2004 18:07:52




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 Re: Drill bit sharpening in reply to alvinnms, 12-10-2004 17:22:39  
All you need is a drill gauge and a good flat grinding wheel. You should always dress the wheel before sharpening.It takes some practice and like any skill if you don"t use it you lose it! When I ran a radial drill on second shift we had to sharpen all our own stuff from about �" - 2�". The big ones are actually easier to sharpen. I now use a drill doctor but occasionally do one by hand. Here is a link

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Sawtooth

12-11-2004 06:12:26




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 Re: Drill bit sharpening in reply to SteveB(wi), 12-10-2004 18:07:52  
Like you I have worked with large drill bits, having been a machinist. Here's one thing I learned over time that works well with larger bits. After hand sharpening, begin drilling and see if BOTH sides are cutting equally while not feeding too hard. (you may have to do a dead stop with the bit in the metal it's cutting) If it's cutting on ONE side, note which side and grind a little more from the side that's doing all the cutting. (BTW, this often causes the bit to drill oversize) After a couple of these "adjustments" I've been able to get a drill cutting equally on both flutes.

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JMS/MN

12-13-2004 12:09:31




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 Re: Drill bit sharpening in reply to Sawtooth, 12-11-2004 06:12:26  
No- that is wrong- if one side is doing all the cutting, you grind off the other side, which is shorter- that makes it LONGER, and makes it do it's share of cutting.



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MPK

12-10-2004 18:50:14




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 Re: Drill bit sharpening in reply to SteveB(wi), 12-10-2004 18:07:52  
I got by sharening by hand for 45 years and then got a Drill Doctor. It does a much better job than I ever did by hand. Sure would been nice to have had it a long time ago but could not afford it then. The diamond wheel puts on such a nice smooth edge that seems to be so much sharper than I had before.



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Chester

12-11-2004 08:20:47




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 Re: Drill bit sharpening in reply to MPK, 12-10-2004 18:50:14  
Use a belt sander as previously suggested. Then you can use one of those pivoting ($10) units that sweeps the bit by the belt. Set it up so the pivot is a little loose so you can push the bit harder into the belt at the back of the stroke, that will give you the relief you need on the heel.

Another is using a shopmade jig. A 4 X 4" piece of plywood notched to fit up to the belt. Fasten a wooden strip (stop) at 59 deg to the belt then draw a few parallel lines 12 deg out from that stop, (59 and 12 deg) lines meeting at a point close to the belt. To use, place the bit against the stop with the cutting edge on the belt. Then rotate the bit clockwise as it is swung down parallel to those other lines you drew. About a 1/6 th total rotation is needed to sharpen each face.

When finished, place a washer with a hole slightly smaller than the bit on the cutting edge to check equal face lengths and if you actually cut enough relief for the bit to cut, by turning bit in washer. Start with a larger bit as it is much easier to see what is going on.

That shopmade jig is covered in "Woodshop Tool Maintenance" by Cunningham and Holtrop (1956) Pg 106 and those "Skill Books" SHARPENING put out by Pop. Science a few years back.

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dr.sportster

12-18-2004 07:28:30




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 Re: Drill bit sharpening in reply to Chester, 12-11-2004 08:20:47  
For years I would just get a new drill bit.I got about a 100 dollar darex as a gift.It really does work great.Although I have seen a tooland die man sharpen bits better than new by hand,its a high skill operation.The Darex will eventually pay off and does three angles,including masonary carbide tipped.Of course those who posses sharpening skills just need the grinder they already have and save money.

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