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Hey T-Bone 2 questions

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CBBC

12-07-2004 18:13:42




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Hey T-Bone,

First - what type of chainsaw did you end up getting?

Second - 7014 rods. Everybody says how great they are but I"m having trouble making clean strong welds in one pass(new metal 1/8 - 3/16"). I have no problem with 6011, 6013, or with the mig machine. Any hints to using these rods.

Thanks, Grant




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TomTX

12-08-2004 06:06:20




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 Re: Hey T-Bone 2 questions in reply to CBBC, 12-07-2004 18:13:42  
According to Lincoln book, the 7014 is "medium pentration". 6013 is "shallow penetration". 6011 is "deep penetration". I use the 7014 for almost everything, and get very strong, clean, good looking welds. Seldom use any other of my rods.



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T_Bone

12-08-2004 04:41:36




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 Re: Hey T-Bone 2 questions in reply to CBBC, 12-07-2004 18:13:42  
Hi Grant,

I bought a Stihl MS 361, decompression valve (DV), with a 20" bar with a 3/8", .050 RS chain. It appears to be a really nice saw. I didn't like the way Stihl recomends starting on WOT so I adjusted the carb for a idle start. A cold start is 3 pulls full choke WOT, 1 pull at idle. Warm is 1 pull idle. All using the DV. The Elastro-start opition is not needed with the DV. I have less than one tank of gas thru it so it's really too early to tell much more.

Several things to try with the 7014. Ironpowder flux makes for a finished heavy flux coating. That means you need to use more amps with this electrode with about a 15% angle with a close arc length.

Although 7014 is rated for all positions it's really makes a good rod for flat work with lots of heat and fast travel speed, thus it's intended design. A slightly wider root opening will help with the finished bead contour.

Being ironpowder flux moister content is a concern. Try drying 5lbs or so in a oven at 250� for a hour and see if you can tell a difference. Your area may demand to keep this electrode in a rod oven before use.

This would not be a good rod choice for short weld joints. 6011 would be a better slection.

Yes there are some very talented people here and making the question open to all is a benefit to all. There's always more than one way to skin the cat. I never mind that someone else answers the questions, in fact I encourge it.

T_Bone

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CBBC

12-08-2004 16:25:21




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 Re: Hey T-Bone 2 questions in reply to T_Bone, 12-08-2004 04:41:36  
Thanks T-Bone,

Hope the saw works well for you.

I'll just get back out there and keep working on the welds. They are not really bad but there is certinly room for improvment. I'll try drying the rods. You are absolutly right about the moisture in the air. The only time it is really dry here is July and August and I don't like to weld then - too hot and I'm afraid of burning the barn down.

Grant

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Dave (IL)

12-07-2004 19:19:11




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 Re: Hey T-Bone 2 questions in reply to CBBC, 12-07-2004 18:13:42  
Quoting T-Bone:
numbers ending with 4 or 7 are light penetration electrodes
1/3 to 1/2 of electrode diameter is typical penetration.

not sure if that's what you are looking for.



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CBBC

12-07-2004 22:49:39




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 Re: Hey T-Bone 2 questions in reply to Dave (IL), 12-07-2004 19:19:11  
Thanks Dave,
Good to know this.
Grant



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old

12-07-2004 18:24:59




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 Re: Hey T-Bone 2 questions in reply to CBBC, 12-07-2004 18:13:42  
If its new metal have you cleaned off the oil/rust if not that is your problem, or not enough heat. Ya I'm not T-Bone but I'm a retired welder.



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CBBC

12-07-2004 19:01:41




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 Re: Hey T-Bone or anybody in reply to old, 12-07-2004 18:24:59  
Thanks old, I should have posted as an open question

A couple threads down the paige someone said the 7014 rod should stay touching(close) to the metal. Should I try this?

I have tried hotter but just started blowing through - guess I need to move faster.

Thanks, Grant



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old

12-07-2004 19:20:17




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 Re: Hey T-Bone or anybody in reply to CBBC, 12-07-2004 19:01:41  
What motion do you use, I have found with the 7014 a sort of 2 steps forward one step back makes a very good weld that or a small circle. And yes you need to keep it close.



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CBBC

12-07-2004 22:43:51




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 Re: Hey T-Bone or anybody in reply to old, 12-07-2004 19:20:17  
Thanks old,

This makes some sense now. I get deposit on the top and bottom, but the middle is usually spotty, that is why I need a couple of passes to get it tight. I will keep working on it with a bit more heat, closer contact and the two methodes you described.

Thanks, Grant



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dr.sportster

12-18-2004 08:03:11




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 Re: Hey T-Bone or anybody in reply to CBBC, 12-07-2004 22:43:51  
It could be that the 7014 has been exposed to a bit of moisture.I was using some 7018 recently having trouble you describe,a little research later and seemed to be dampness in my rod.You should get a chart for the varius rod characteristics.Be carefull with 6013[mild penetration]fordeeper penetration use a 6010.Pipe welders use 6010 root pass and cover with 7018[unless the boss is a cheapskate]then just 6010.Free info at welding supply house.

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