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Log Splitter Capacity?

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Kenneth Fass

12-06-2004 15:02:19




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Hello,

I've been thinking about a log splitter for a while now - mainly because the majority of the wood I cut and burn is red elm. It is awful stuff to split - especially the big chunks. If you've ever split any, you know what I mean.

If I get or build a splitter, I want one that will do the job with no horsing around. Are we talking about a 27-ton capacity model? Or... ?

Yes money IS an object, otherwise I wouldn'nt be asking! Thanks.

-- Ken

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hjp

12-07-2004 19:47:51




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 Re: Log Splitter Capacity? in reply to Kenneth Fass, 12-06-2004 15:02:19  
david-or response is on the money
27 ton is ok/ 24 inch stroke
get a vert/horz splitter, I have split over 8 full cord of elm
40 plus inches in diameter making sure the ram goes to its fullest/cutting length
keep a small hatchet handy to cut some string left
its less "striny" as it dries out.



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Larry E

12-06-2004 19:02:25




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 Re: Log Splitter Capacity? in reply to Kenneth Fass, 12-06-2004 15:02:19  
I have a 14 h.p. Kohler direct drive 2 stage pump 2500psi maximum.also have a 22 inch grader blade ground to 22 degree included angle.Pusher same height as blade .I am using 5''by 24 inch longcylinderI have never hung it up .elm is easy to split.



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txblu

12-07-2004 07:31:13




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 Re: Log Splitter Capacity? in reply to Larry E, 12-06-2004 19:02:25  
Easy beins ye have the toolin. Let's see, force = area of piston x applied pressure.

5"/2 = 2.5 squared x pi x 2500 = 20,000 lbs force.

Beats a 10# sledge and wedge.

Mark



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thurlow

12-06-2004 17:28:01




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 Re: Log Splitter Capacity? in reply to Kenneth Fass, 12-06-2004 15:02:19  
Mark (below) is right on; you can split anything with a big enough cylinder, but..... ...you swap pressure for speed and vice versa; you don't want something so slow that you can go eat lunch while the ram is retracting..... ..I use a 4 inch ram; it will split anything I care to split. I've got some pictures stuck back in a file somewhere; will try to dig 'em out and post them ....maybe tomorrow.

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Kenneth Fass

12-07-2004 13:53:42




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 Re: Log Splitter Capacity? in reply to thurlow, 12-06-2004 17:28:01  
Yes if you have photos, those would be great.



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david - OR

12-06-2004 17:25:24




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 Re: Log Splitter Capacity? in reply to Kenneth Fass, 12-06-2004 15:02:19  
Back in the early 80's I split about 15 cords of Dutch-elm-disease killed American elm for my mother to use as firewood. Some of the rounds were more than 30 inches in diameter.
I used a homemade splitter my dad put together.

Elm requires you to drive the wedge from the top all the way through the round. The halves do not come apart after 6 inches or so, the way maple or oak will.

You need the cylinder to have a long enough stroke to accomplish this. Many log splitter cylinders have only a 12 inch stroke or so -- not enough for elm. My dad's splitter was like this -- I had to make two passes on many of the splits, cycling the control to pull the ram back and inserting a spacer prior to finishing the split.

The splitting knife has to be taller than the diameter of the biggest pieces. You can't cheat like you can with oak or maple. My dad's splitter had a 14 inch extension retroactively welded atop the 16 inch main wedge.

It is absolutely critical to have a real, two stage log splitter hydraulic pump. You need the pressure you get from the second stage to handle the tougher splits, and you need the volume characteristics of a two stage pump to get the ram moved back after the split. Remember that the ram has to move through a 16 inch travel on the way back, and you will quickly lose patience if the pump volume can't get it back in 5 seconds or less.

The peak pressure you need depends on the size of the rounds. At least with American elm, a 5000 PSI two stage pump and a 5 inch cylinder struggled with the 30 inch rounds. You should have seen the 10 inch steel I-beam bending and groaning under the 50 tons of force. More modest diameter pieces won't be so bad.

The really big stuff is heavy and awkward. You split into halves, then quarters, then eighths, then 16ths, then 32nds. At that point the size is still a little big for the stove, but you just can't bear to split it any more. The one 30 inch round you started with has turned into a substantial pile of partially split pieces sitting at your feet. And you have to pick every one of them up, set them on the rail, and split them again, and again, and again. Some means for staging the pieces so you don't have to lift them again would be a good addition to consider.

A 7 to 11 horsepower motor is none too small for such a splitter. The more moxie the motor has, the faster the job will go.

The control lever should offer an auto-return. You want the ability to shove the lever into a detent, so that the piston moves back into the loading position and then the lever goes back to neutral by itself. You will be using the "dead time" to stack the split pieces and ready the next chunk. You don't want to be standing there holding the lever, picking your nose, and watching the ram slowly return.

One other thing about American elm is that it is about the dirtiest wood to have to bring into your house. You get bits of bark and moss and dirt and all kinds of junk scattered along the path from the woodbox to the stove.

The only saving grace, in those days, was that the elm was abundant and free for the taking. It burned just OK, not as many BTU per pound as maple, but better than softwoods.

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Kenneth Fass

12-07-2004 13:58:51




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 Re: Log Splitter Capacity? in reply to david - OR, 12-06-2004 17:25:24  
Hi David,

Your comment about the length of stroke is a valid one. The stuff I have access to is "stringy" and sometimes has to be pulled apart - so yes the length of stroke is important.

Regarding the splitting knife, I've found from splitting by hand that the "Wood Grenade" type of wedge is much easier to use than a standard wedge. This is primarily because it has a "point" of entry rather than a knife-like edge. It would seem to me that if one were to configure a wedge like this on a splitter that its work too would be easier than if a standard edge-type knife were used.

Any thoughts?

-- Ken

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txblu

12-06-2004 16:49:57




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 Re: Log Splitter Capacity? in reply to Kenneth Fass, 12-06-2004 15:02:19  
Forget the Elm. It is stringy and hates to be split.

Get some Oak iffin you want some real wood that responds to you resources and leaves coals for the mornin's run up.

Iffin you're hung up on the Elm, would suggest the following:

Biggest diameter piston you can imagine.

Ditto on stroke,

Ditto on pressue

Then when that's all done, make sure that you split it the way the tree grows; bottom up; no brag just fact. Trees split the way they grow when they don't the other way.

Good luck,

Mark

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