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KB

12-05-2004 15:09:06




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It has been too many years ago since I have had the theory for this taught to me. Since it seems that between everyone here there seems to be a knowlege of everything I thought maybe I could get a answer here. I have a motor in a compressor application which is a capacitor start and capacitor run. The motor will not run the compressor up to the shutoff point without stalling first. Which brings me to my questions: 1. What does the capacitor in the run winding do? 2. When it goes bad how do you know (symptom above?)? 3. I am assuming that the run capacitor is the smaller value (35 mfd vs 400mfd which I believe to be the start) correct?

This is getting to be way too much work to pump up tires!

Thanks for your help.

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Kevin2

12-07-2004 11:20:25




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 Re: Capacitor Run Motor in reply to KB, 12-05-2004 15:09:06  
Mine does this when on a long under sized extension cord or when it is too cold for the oil to warm up in time. I don't have to use the long cord anymore (yea!) and if its cold out I hold the pressure release open for 2-3 minutes until the oil warms up, then its good for the rest of the day. HTH.



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Vern-MI

12-06-2004 02:40:48




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 Re: Capacitor Run Motor in reply to KB, 12-05-2004 15:09:06  
Classic undersized supply wire / cord and/or outlet rating. Make sure that you have at least 12 ga. supply cord and that your outlet is rated above the amperage draw of the motor.



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jim

12-05-2004 20:15:19




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 Re: Capacitor Run Motor in reply to KB, 12-05-2004 15:09:06  
Check for a bad bearing in the motor. Usually the capacitor will smoke when they go bad, also if you see oil leaking or a crack, they are shot or well on there way. Loss of oil will short them out. They can be checked with a meter, analog ones are better, digital will work. Check your connections and make sure your cord is heavy enough. Does the motor get up to full speed or is it stuck in start??
Is the motor big enough?? Are you trying to pump up to much pressure? Proper pulley sizes?

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Farmall_Ryan

12-05-2004 18:41:19




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 Re: Capacitor Run Motor in reply to KB, 12-05-2004 15:09:06  
The start capacitor and run capacitor can be distinguished by what they look like. A start capacitor is generally enclosed within a plastic housing while run capacitors are in metal cans. The start capacitor is also the higher microfarad value (generally in the low hundreds). The run cap on the other hand is usually quite low (often below 50 for most farm applications I deal with).

The purpose of a start capacitor is to shift the current 90 degrees ahead of the voltage (or at least that would be the optimal shift).

The purpose of a run capacitor as stated before, is to correct the power factor. This lowers the amperage draw of the motor and increases efficiency.

If you happen to have a decent fluke or equivalent meter you can test the capacitance to be sure the capacitor hasn"t changed in value due to a loss of electrolyte.

You can also test for a defective capacitor using an ohmmeter. Place one test lead on each side of the capacitor.

- If Fauly -
The meter will stay at 0 (shorted capacitor)
The meter will stay at infinity (open capacitor)

- If Good -
The meter will temporarily read zero (or near zero) but then gradually climb towards infinity

*To repeat the test reverse the two leads of the meter

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MarkB_MI

12-05-2004 16:51:21




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 Re: Capacitor Run Motor in reply to KB, 12-05-2004 15:09:06  
The purpose of the capacitor is to shift the phase of the field so that the motor torque is increased. Capacitor start motors are used in applications where high starting torque is required; capacitor start/capacitor run motors are used in applications where high torque is required for both start and run cycles.

You're correct that the smaller capacitor is the run capacitor. You're also correct that a defective run capacitor could cause the motor to stall out under normal load. I'd replace the 35 mfd capacitor and see what happens. That is, assuming that the compressor was working fine before. If you just installed the compressor, I'd check the voltage to the motor under load to make sure you don't have a voltage drop somewhere.

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Bob

12-05-2004 16:49:47




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 Re: Capacitor Run Motor in reply to KB, 12-05-2004 15:09:06  
The "RUN" capacitor aids running torque, and helps correct power factor.

You'll probably have to take a chance, and replace it, although there is no guarantee that will solve your problem.

Do you have a good power supply to the motor, without any long and/or undersized extension cords?



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