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Pole Light Choice Suggestions

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pbutler

11-29-2004 08:17:45




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We are building a new house on an empty lot and recently completed putting up an 18 foot shed with 2ft overhangs.

I am looking for a good vaporlight type of light to light up the driveway between the house and shed-probably about 130 feet apart. Definately want dusk to dawn on it. Energy usage is a concern and I also may end up using it during the summer if I end up working on equipment outside, etc.

I hate to put up a pole if I can put something on the shed and keep the area looking cleaner.

I have 2 questions:

1) So far all the light I have found are vapor lights between 150 and 175 watts-and are on 21" or 23" extension poles. Will that be long enough of an arm to get it out from under the overhang that the light sensor will work?

2) Has anyone tried using one of the square halogen lights to light up an area like that? Would it be too bright or too ineffiecient?

Any input would be appreicated.

Paul Butler

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pbutler

11-30-2004 12:11:24




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 Re: Pole Light Choice Suggestions in reply to pbutler, 11-29-2004 08:17:45  
WOW, I guess I came to the right place to ask that question.

Thanks so much to everyone for the great info!



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ScottT

11-30-2004 10:24:09




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 Re: Pole Light Choice Suggestions in reply to pbutler, 11-29-2004 08:17:45  
Whatever style lamp you get (metal halide, mercury vapor, sodium, etc.) change your bulb every 3-4 years. The bulbs will not burn out for at least 25,000 hours of operation, but they lose 40% of the light output after about 12-15,000 hours.

Scott



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Bob - MI

11-30-2004 05:46:45




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 Re: Pole Light Choice Suggestions in reply to pbutler, 11-29-2004 08:17:45  
Some great advice here. Lots of choices but I have experience with Flourescent and Mercury Vapor units.

I live in Michigan so cold temperatures are a real consideration. I wanted to light a large yard area by my house because we live 1/4 mile off the road and there is no light back there at night. I was also concerned (obsessed) with energy savings so I went with a flourescent area light. Great choice with white light but it wouldn"t start when cold. Replaced 3 of them until I switched to a lifetime warranty Mercury Vapor model made by Regent. Have had no trouble at all and I like it.

A twist that I have in this is that I use a timer to turn it off after midnight but back on at 7:00 am. This saves me energy while we are sleeping but it comes back on when we are going to be up. Power is on between 7:00 am and midnight so the solar cell takes care of making sure that it"s on and off when the conditions warrant.

There may be more energy efficient choices out there but I never have to screw around with this and since it"s mounted on an 18" high pole that"s a good thing. I get tired of fixing stuff that shouldn"t have to be fixed.

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JeffE

11-30-2004 05:07:59




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 Re: Pole Light Choice Suggestions in reply to pbutler, 11-29-2004 08:17:45  
I did the same thing as rustyfarmall below and am happy with it. Mercury vapor is fairly energy efficient and the bulbs last forever. Got the whole set up for about $50 at Menards.



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Raymond Bagwell

11-29-2004 21:26:25




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 Re: Pole Light Choice Suggestions in reply to pbutler, 11-29-2004 08:17:45  
I use a 400 watt metal halide light that does a real good job. It has been up there 10 years and I may have changed the bulb once. Light fixtures are like most other things you get what you pay for. Most of the cheap mecury and sodium lights do not last a long time from my experience.



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anon

11-29-2004 20:19:21




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 Re: Pole Light Choice Suggestions in reply to pbutler, 11-29-2004 08:17:45  
I remember reading on one of the types of light you hang on a pole, the sodium lights I believe it was that they are not to be used for people to work under or do things like play basket ball ect. They were only recommended as a area light for security to keep the low life in check.



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buickandeere

11-29-2004 19:17:38




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 Re: Pole Light Choice Suggestions in reply to pbutler, 11-29-2004 08:17:45  
The Metal Halide lamps look similar to mercury vapour bit are much more efficient. Still the low and high pressure sodium vapours win in the efficiency race. For security how about a sodium light on a photo cell. Then install a buch of motion sensor lights with incandescent flood or spot lamps. When required the motions will come on and brighten/whiten the area. Cheap to run for a few minutes a night. Be careful not to set the sensitivity too high. I've seen them go on off on off on off on off with just snow blowing past. Also make certain the motion sensor cannot see "heat" from the lamp it's controling. On occassion a motion sensor is just bad and falses on everything anytime.

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John M

11-29-2004 18:43:19




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 Re: Pole Light Choice Suggestions in reply to pbutler, 11-29-2004 08:17:45  
Dont think I have your answer but anyway you go,youre going to need something better for working on things at night.I have the round one for the backyard,the square one that has the orangish glow at the barn,both were put in by the power comapny and the yservice both as I need it.Both light up the areas well,but not good enough to work outside without some other type of lighting.Besides the handheld lights I have two of the big floods on a pole and that seems to work out pretty good for me.

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John M

11-29-2004 18:43:03




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 Re: Pole Light Choice Suggestions in reply to pbutler, 11-29-2004 08:17:45  
Dont think I have your answer but anyway you go,youre going to need something better for working on things at night.I have the round one for the backyard,the square one that has the orangish glow at the barn,both were put in by the power comapny and the yservice both as I need it.Both light up the areas well,but not good enough to work outside without some other type of lighting.Besides the handheld lights I have two of the big floods on a pole and that seems to work out pretty good for me.

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Bus Driver

11-29-2004 15:46:37




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 Re: Pole Light Choice Suggestions in reply to pbutler, 11-29-2004 08:17:45  
The power company might be lower cost than doing it yourself and paying for the power through your meter. The mercury vapor- the bluish light- is not energy efficient at all and will really add to your monthly bill. Long life is the only advantage of the mercury vapor. Sodium vapor- the orangey light- is much more efficient and also has long life. 70 watts of sodium vapor fixture puts out more light than 150 watts of mercury vapor fixture. If POCO will do for $12 per month or less, let them do it.

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JoeK

11-29-2004 15:36:10




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 Re: Pole Light Choice Suggestions in reply to pbutler, 11-29-2004 08:17:45  
Check with your electric co.Have not checked lately but around here they used to sell/install and maintain Mercury vapor "yardlights" at low cost,also gave a low flat-rate monthly electric rate for the unit.At times the Units were even free just for signing up for the service.Seens like,yrs ago it was free installation and service and 5 bucks a month for juice or such.



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rustyfarmall

11-29-2004 13:07:26




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 Re: Pole Light Choice Suggestions in reply to pbutler, 11-29-2004 08:17:45  
pbutler, I have a mercury vapor light mounted on the gable end of my 36x60x10 Morton building. The light is one of those intended for a pole, so it is on the long extension. I had to reform the bracket on the end of the extension so it would mount over the ribs of the steel siding, and also installed a 2x6 on the inside of the building so the light would have something more than just the steel siding to mount on. I also oriented the electric eye so it was facing away from the building. I even wired it through a switch so I could turn it off if needed. The light has worked perfectly now for six years, no problems ever.

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Kevin (FL)

11-29-2004 12:28:35




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 Re: Pole Light Choice Suggestions in reply to pbutler, 11-29-2004 08:17:45  
Paul,

Call me cheap but we set up a couple of outside lights with inexpensive outdoor fixtures from the local discount place and we use the screw-in flourescent bulbs--you can get any wattage you want from 15 watts on up and they put out the equivalent light of 4x's their rating. Believe it or not, we have two 15 watt lights over our driveway and it's plenty of light for working or for security. If we ever need more lights for working we just set up temporary clamp type lights close to our work. On the mount setup, if you have a welding machine and a pipe bender, you can fab some nice brackets with flat plate and galvanized pipe. If you don't have a pipe bender, just use screw pipe and fittings for the bends.

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Big Jim

11-29-2004 21:42:00




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 Re: Pole Light Choice Suggestions in reply to Kevin (FL), 11-29-2004 12:28:35  
That might work in Florida but, if you live where it gets cold, the flourscents are going to have trouble starting.
I put one of the sodium vapor lights (small one 75 watts?)on the side of my garage and it does a decent job of lighting the 120 x 40 parking area. If you are close to it, you could do some work and you can still see most things on the ground out in the corner. If you are going to run it dusk to dawn, it is well worthwhile to pay more for an efficent unit. You"ll save it back and more in electricity costs.

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