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Emery

11-23-2000 05:20:43




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I am looking to buy a chain saw. I have looked locally and the Stihl and Shindaiwa (sp?) are the local favorites. Anyone out there own a Stihl model 025 or 029. Those are the ones the owner is steering me too. Also, the local maintenance folks are using a lot of the Shindaiwa brand. I don't do a lot of cutting with one. I will cut a couple of cords of firewood every couple of years, plus am cleaning the fence rows on 22 acres, mostly chinese tallow and hackberry trees. I am looking for a saw that will start everytime and last a long time. Thanks for the help...Emery

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Gary

04-11-2002 13:10:28




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 Re: another chain saw question in reply to Emery, 11-23-2000 05:20:43  
Have a Mall Chain saw. Need info on same
bar is abt 6 1/2' Total length is just short of eight ft. Serial no. can't completly read.
what I do see is 786523. A molded number on one handle is 23533. Do know its an old monster.



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Emery

11-28-2000 09:47:16




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 Re: another chain saw question in reply to Emery, 11-23-2000 05:20:43  
Fellows, thanks for all the comments and advice. I have decided to go with a Stihl 026, with an 18 inch bar. Thanks again....Emery



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JRM

11-26-2000 05:44:17




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 Re: another chain saw question in reply to Emery, 11-23-2000 05:20:43  
I use a lot of 2 cycle equipment commercially. I switched from Stihl to Shindiawa in '88 and have never looked backed. I currently have have about 25 pieces of Shindiawa equipment ( 5 chainsaws), some over 10 years old and in use almost everyday. Very well built dependable.



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kipp

11-25-2000 23:08:47




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 Re: another chain saw question in reply to Emery, 11-23-2000 05:20:43  
My dad logged with Stihls for years and years in Washington State. He swears by them. I don't think you can go wrong with one -- especially the professional models. I happen to own a Husqvarna 51. I am very pleased. It's light, starts well, runs hard. Most loggers here in Alaska run Stihls and Husqvarnas. Good



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John in VA

11-26-2000 04:37:52




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 Re: Re: another chain saw question in reply to kipp, 11-25-2000 23:08:47  
Stihl and Husky are both excellent saws. So are Poulans. But, there are many other factors to consider.

There are a lot of chain variations out there. I suggest you steer away from any saw that runs a "pitch" of .325 or 3/8s Micro. There's nothing wrong with those chains -- it just limits your options buying replacement chain. And these smaller chains are not as durable. You can find great deals on standard chain. The most common chain is 3/8-inch pitch and .050 gauge. And most inexperienced woodlot cutters use a full-complement, low-kickback chain. Stick with low-kickback chain until you learn how to use a saw safely and professionally.

Bar Length: I run bars from 14 to 32 inches. If you run one saw, I suggest the best all around compromise is a bar of 18 or 20 inches.

Generally chain comes in three cutter tooth styles, Round, Semi-chisel and Chisel. Chisel is the most aggressive cutter -- but it's also the most dangerous to use. I don't think you'll ever find chisel chain on a consumer saw. Round is the easiest to resharpen and just about all low-kickback chain is the "round" style.

Chain size is also an important consideration when you have to replace the bar ultimately. A premium saw will also have a floating sprocket. DON'T GET ANY SAW WITHOUT A CHAIN BRAKE !!

Invest in safety equipment: Safety goggles, Screen mesh face protector, safety gloves, hearing protection, helmet, safety boots and preferably some kevlar chaps. Peltor makes a great helmet, face protector, ear muff headset combination. These are dangerous machines -- YOU CANNOT BE TOO SAFE !! When I first started cutting with a saw about 40 years ago -- I was young and stupid. I was too "macho" to believe that I needed all that sissy stuff. But, now that I've been "hurt" a few times (nothing too serious, thank God), I wear it all and use it all. If you're not in good physical condition -- you'll get tired after a few hours -- and start making stupid mistakes. The result can be FATAL. I can't stress too much -- buy the safety equipment -- and USE it.

Whatever saw you get, I would spend a few extra bucks and get the pro model instead of the consumer version. In the long run it's worth it. As old Ben said, don't be "penny wise and pound foolish."

Frankly, the better saw is probably the Stihl -- but the way Stihl markets its products in the U.S. is damn near an illegal restraint of trade. Authorized Stihl dealers are prohibited from quoting prices outside their store (via catalog, via phone or the internet) and they are prohibited from selling by mail. Consequently, it's harder to find Stihl dealers that have to compete with one another and it's harder for the consumer to find a good deal.

The Husky is just as durable a saw as the Stihl but the Stihl has some "convenience" features that are nice, like a translucent gas tank that allows the user to "eyeball" remaining fuel. The Stihl probably has a chain tensioner that's a little easier to use. Although Husky has improved it's chain tensioner on newer models.

It's just my opinion, but I believe that Husky's generally have a little better power to weight ratio -- your mileage may vary.

You can shop the internet for Huskys however and you can find really some really good deals out there. A Husky is an excellent saw. I have several saws -- I have a Husky I use for felling, a Stihl I use for bucking and a Poulan I use for limbing. My Husky is big enough I have several attachments for it you may also wish to use in the future -- like an Alaskan Saw Mill, or Lewis winches. But, it's too big (heavy) for cutting firewood all day. I also have a Stihl pruner and a Husky stump grinder. It's nice that most of my 2-cycle equipment uses the same 50:1 fuel/oil ratio mix. Over the years, I've had 8:1, 16:1, (Lawn Boy mowers) 32:1, (Toro edger) and also 40:1 (Sears/Poulan Saw), what a pain in the Ash :-).
Both are good products -- but, I can find better deals on Huskys. I buy exclusively now from Madsens in Centralia, Washington -- providers to the loggers of the world. Great service, great prices -- what more can you ask. You may wish to visit their site. Dave is their webmaster and he is extraordinarily knowledgeable and will take the time to answer ALL your questions in excruciating detail.

I have no interest in Madsen's -- but over the years they have earned my commendation. You can spend hours, if not days, cruising their web site and learning about this stuff.

Click here for Madsens:

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Kermit

11-24-2000 22:44:45




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 Re: another chain saw question in reply to Emery, 11-23-2000 05:20:43  
I have a Stihl 021 that I purchased new this summer. Had used Poulan saws for years, but when I purchased again I went with the Stihl. Seems to be a very good saw. I had owned a Shindaiwa weed eater for about 10 years, but I traded it this year also and went with a Stihl weed eater. The Shindaiwa was a good unit, but my new Stihl is a much more heavy duty unit and will cut stuff the other wouldn't think of. I like Stihl equipment. It is very popular in this area.

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MarkB

11-24-2000 07:39:01




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 Re: another chain saw question in reply to Emery, 11-23-2000 05:20:43  
I've had a Stihl 029 for several years, and it's proven to be a good saw. If I were to make the purchase again, I'd spring for either the 026 or 036. The 029 is a consumer grade saw (a very good consumer grade, but consumer grade nonetheless). he 026 and 036 are professional grade saws. They should last longer, but the main thing is that they are lighter. The 029 is about 13 pounds, and that gets real old after a few hours.

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M.R.

11-24-2000 11:11:06




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 Re: Re: another chain saw question in reply to MarkB, 11-24-2000 07:39:01  
I agree with MarkB's way of thinking on this. I have a Stihl 026Pro as well as a Stihl 064.
The pro saws are more expensive up front, but will pay you back over time.

There is a lot of logging in our area and Shindaiwa (sp) has never really caught on here.



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Chris

11-23-2000 09:48:55




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 Re: another chain saw question in reply to Emery, 11-23-2000 05:20:43  
I bought a 029 a few years ago...use it very much like you. I have been very please with it, always starts and runs and cuts great!



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Johnny

11-23-2000 07:46:17




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 Re: another chain saw question in reply to Emery, 11-23-2000 05:20:43  
I'd go with the Stihl, very good saws and priced right, Although if you are looking for a "maintenance free" chainsaw forget buying one at all, The problem with farm saws is it seems I only use mine two or three times a year and the gas goes bad, dirt dobbers build nests in the muffler, the chain gets dull fairly quickly, bars wear out, also remember these are two cycle engines so the spark plug is firing in oil and gas, this kind of equipment is just a little higher maintenance than say a lawnmower. If you keep it in good shape though it should last a long time. I have the same Echo chainsaw my dad bought new in about 1978 and except for bars, chains and filters I haven't had any major breakdown and last year cut 2 cords. Johnny

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Ken Perrin

09-02-2001 17:42:34




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 Re: Re: another chain saw question in reply to Johnny, 11-23-2000 07:46:17  
I changed the spark plug on my Echo 302S chainsaw and now cannot get it to fire. Is there something I need to do or change to get it to fire? (like change the spark plug gap)



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F14

11-23-2000 06:19:32




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 Re: another chain saw question in reply to Emery, 11-23-2000 05:20:43  
I have the Stihl 025. I do woodlot and trail maintenance on 20 acres, plus work up all my firewood with it. Absolutely no complaints. Starts good, cuts good, has good vibration control, and is (relatively) light and well balanced. With your stated requirements and a little TLC, it should last you the rest of your life.



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