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Hubert L

11-17-2004 16:09:07




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I bought a small one burner Propane stove from Trinidad and cannot get it to work in Canada. Would the regulator pressure for the 20 lb cylinder be different? With all the valves wide open I have to keep the flame on the burner just to get a tiny flame from the burner holes. It seems like the gas is coming back near the orifice and causing a Backfire. I am not leaving the gas on for more than 15 seconds at a time. Is anyone able to help me fix this problem?

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Hubert

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Gavin M

11-17-2004 22:14:08




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 Re: Propane Stove in reply to Hubert L, 11-17-2004 16:09:07  
Are you using it outside? If the tubes, orifices, etc. are not obstructed, it is possible that the regulator is too small internally to adequately flow at a lower temperature (Canada) than would be seen in Trinidad. This is because the tank pressure is a direct function of it's temperature. Commercial or HD-5 propane is produced, transported, and stored as a liquid. In this neck of the woods (Alberta) it is typically about 96 -97% propane, 3% ethane, and 1% mixed butanes, with a few parts per million of ethyl mercaptan added to odourize it. The pressure of HD-5 propane (or commercial grade, uncommon anymore, as the propylene in it is more valuble for making alkylate, a high octane gasoline component, or plastics) is typically 200 psi absolute at 100 F, but 14.7 psia (i.e. atmospheric pressure) at -44 F. At any temperature below 32 F (0 C) the pressure in the tank will be quite low. If your regulator was designed for Trinidad temperatures, it will be sized for tank pressures appropriate to tropical temperatures. In Canada, in winter, on construction sites or other outdoor applications of propane heaters, it is common and neccessary to heat the propane to get it to vapourize. In this case the regulator is replaced by a steam or electrically heated vapourizer. When propane powered vehicles were in their heyday, say 20 years ago, a glycol (engine coolant) heated vapourizer-regulator was always used to supply a steady flow of warm, gaseous propane to the (propane) carburator, usually mounted on top of the gasoline carb in a "dual-fuel" application.
Enough said! I'm starting to sound like Hank Hill. Anyway, if there seems to be no obvious reason for the low pressure, it could be that the regulator is the wrong one for this part of the world. It could be re-calibrated, but it would probably be cheaper just to replace it.

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Hubert L

11-18-2004 14:33:32




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 Re: Propane Stove in reply to Gavin M, 11-17-2004 22:14:08  
Thanks for the comments. The stove is all I brought to Canada. The regulator, propane and hoses that connect to the tank are all designed for use in Canada (from an old BBQ grill). There are no obstructions to slow the flow of gas. I am trying to light the stove outside and no longer than 15 secs at a time. If I block 1/2 the (air) space where the gas enters the burner, I can get a sustained flame on the burner; though it is still very low. But then it backfires even sooner. The little flame I get from the burner is always blue though. If the regulator pressure is too low , can you suggest a place where I cah get a higher pressure regulator?

Thanks Hubert

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Davis In SC

11-17-2004 18:07:10




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 Re: Propane Stove in reply to Hubert L, 11-17-2004 16:09:07  
Does it have the tube that must get hot for gas to flow??



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DH in Carolina

11-17-2004 16:55:49




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 Re: Propane Stove in reply to Hubert L, 11-17-2004 16:09:07  
Hubert Look inside of the burner tube and make sure there is nothing blocking gas flow to the burner. A spider web can cause the same problem with a gas burner. Danny Hearl



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jeffcat

11-17-2004 18:09:01




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 Re: Propane Stove in reply to DH in Carolina, 11-17-2004 16:55:49  
Ditto on that..Blow anything in there out with an air hose. If you have pressure troubles there are some simple and stupid things people do. Do you have the correct regulator for this little stove? Natural and propane use differnt units. Don"t try this from a BBQ tank unless you use one of those regulators. Tank pressure on a tank can be 25 pounds and higher. the pressure in your house from a propane systen should be MAYBE 1/2 pound. Also known as 10 inches water column. keep us informed Jeffcat

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