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Mig Welder Choice ???

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Scott Magyar

11-19-2000 08:02:47




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I have 3 mig welders to choose from. Hobart handler 175, Millermatic challenger 172 and the Lincoln weld pack 155. I am a novice but I do want something that will last. I do currently have an arc welder but I need a mig. Thanks for any input !




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Ollie

11-22-2000 08:21:40




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 Re: Mig Welder Choice ??? in reply to Scott Magyar, 11-19-2000 08:02:47  
Ought to get FredOH's opinion.



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T_Bone

11-19-2000 18:33:09




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 Re: Mig Welder Choice ??? in reply to Scott Magyar, 11-19-2000 08:02:47  
Hi Scott, the Millermatic is one of the best machines around and only second to a Linde about twice the cost of the Miller but one fine machine.

The Lincoln is a good stick welder in certian machines and soso on wire machines.

Hobart never has built a decent machine for any type of manual welding, period. There past reputation would never make me try a new one!

I would stick with the Millermatic if it was me.

T_Bone

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Frank

11-19-2000 19:14:24




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 Re: Re: Mig Welder Choice ??? in reply to T_Bone, 11-19-2000 18:33:09  
T Bone,
I guess you didn't know that Miller and Hobart are made by the same company now.



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T_Bone

11-21-2000 08:48:30




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 Re: Re: Re: Mig Welder Choice ??? in reply to Frank, 11-19-2000 19:14:24  
Hi Frank, Yep I did and I still wouldn't buy one. They have one of the lousy'est arcs of all welding machines as it wanders all over the place and I don't think Miller would have fixed that?

I might try a Hobart if someone give me one but that would be the only way.

T_Bone



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welder Brian

11-19-2000 20:08:55




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 Re: Re: Re: Mig Welder Choice ??? in reply to Frank, 11-19-2000 19:14:24  
yes Miller and hobart are made by the same mega company but the hobart is the low end and the Miller is the HI end. Just pick up the two, to see witch one has the larger copper windings in the transformer or like the Home-depot Lincon, alluminum windings! My Miller xp130 is great!!



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T_Bone

11-21-2000 09:04:36




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Mig Welder Choice ??? in reply to welder Brian, 11-19-2000 20:08:55  
Hi Brian, And according to Steve at US Alloy there all aluminum as there no more copper windings.

T_Bone



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Dick B

11-21-2000 10:14:31




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Mig Welder Choice ??? in reply to T_Bone, 11-21-2000 09:04:36  
I've been fortunate enough to have been able to play, and work with many welders from all three manufacturers. My employer bought some of the first Hobart digital machines, that was 18 years ago. Excellent machines! They also obtained a group of Miller MP65s. But we standardized on Lincoln DC600s to keep logistics simple.

Since then we decided to upgrade and replace older (25 years old) Lincoln R3S600 power sources. A trial was held to compare offerings from Lincoln, Miller and ESAB. The ESAB had wire feeding problems feeding 3/32" flux cored electrode off of 850 LB spools. The Miller machine ran with no problems. The Lincoln CV655/DH10 combo worked well also. I endured sales pitches from all reps. A couple of things finally swayed us to choose Lincoln again. The guts of the CV655 were substantially heavier than the Miller machine. And during an AWS tour of a welder repair shop, most of the machines they were working on were Millers of all types. Lincoln also slightly underbid Miller on the package deal.

Yeah, Miller sells the heck out of them, but its been my experience they don't last in heavy industrial operations like Lincoln. The R3S600s
and DC600s we have proved that.

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T_Bone

11-21-2000 17:16:47




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Mig Welder Choice ??? in reply to Dick B, 11-21-2000 10:14:31  
Hi Dick, Ya thats true and I agree but your not in the "light" group of machines either. There's noway anything can beat a Lincoln Pipeliner for any type of welding up too 400amps. I do like the Miller Mig head with a tweeko gun alot better than the Lincoln head.

Are the 600amp machines copper windings? I would think the would have to be with the stable arc that they produce.

I really liked the Lincoln idelarc also for a Tig/stick machine but the Miller still beat Lincoln in Mig welding for 200amps or so.

I think where Hobart made the name was in the 600amp/plus machines. I used one for submurged arc welding when I worked at Coors 30yrs ago and it was a great machine but there 300amp wire feeds were terrible for arc stablitiy for the same time period. I used another 250amp Hobart in the late 80's that also was a piece of junk and it was brand new at the time.

T_Bone

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Dick B

11-23-2000 05:48:50




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Mig Welder Choice ??? in reply to T_Bone, 11-21-2000 17:16:47  
TB, yes copper windings in the heavier machines. You're right the Lincoln Pipeliner is the ultimate. Tweco guns are good, but in my book the Bernard F and G series guns are at the top for
heavy continuous use. Their twist lock tip is by far the best tip securing system - twist it 90 deg and pull it out, no fumbling around trying to unscrew it. And Bernard has the best switch in the business. We'd still have them in our plant if OSHA hadn't come down with fume level mandates. Bernard wouldn't work to come up with a good smoke extraction gun. OXO made an effort which we ended up buying, but OXO guns aren't what they could be. We used to burn a million pounds of electrode a year, 75% .052 solid wire, 25% 3/32" flux cored with Bernard guns and Lincoln
DC600 welders/LN9 wire feeders.

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welder Brian

11-21-2000 10:32:31




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Mig Welder Choice ??? in reply to Dick B, 11-21-2000 10:14:31  
opinion is one thing spec sheet data are another
at least my 130xp millermatic has copper windings www.Miller Electric 130xp specs show copper windings when I opened the side cover O to my supprise what do you think I found? thanks.



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