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BIG Quincy air compressor help( Roger Please help)

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Trucks

10-24-2004 17:51:26




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Hey Roger, I know you are pretty sharp on these old Quincy's.I bought an old 5120 MONSTER.It has a 25 HP 3phase motor on it.I was wondering if I could put another motor between the pump and the motor and use a smaller pulley maybe a 4" pulley I know the minimum RPM is 400.I thought if i had about a 10hp 1750RPM motor with this setup I could make it work.I have a phase converter in my shop, but it is only good for 10hp.I wanted to use a regular 220volt motor on this monster, if possible. My other alternative is an old 302 FORD motor that I have. You know in true Tim Allen style.(ARRRRR ARRRRR !)
Please help me on this moster.I also have a 325 Quincy that makes a funny noise when it starts some times if I put my finger over the hole on the back unloader tower it quits also the hydraulic unloader is leaking oil a little bit.I have one more question do I have to use Quincy oil in these compressors it is so expensive.(I think the 325's problem is the hydraulic unloader valve is going out)Thanks for your patience I know this is a rather long post.Thanks in advance for any help!!!!

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Roger P.

10-24-2004 19:35:29




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 Re: BIG Quincy air compressor help( Roger Please h in reply to Trucks, 10-24-2004 17:51:26  
This pump is listed as a 10-25 hp pump. Since minimum RPM is 400, that is what I suspect it will run at for a 10 hp motor. That is a beast of a compressor for 10 hp, it should last you for as long as you live. It is listed as putting out 33 CFM at 10 hp. I would try to run it at as high a voltage as I could, to keep amp draw as low as possible. Aren't you using up all the capacity of your phase converter if you run this compressor? I don't understand the idea of putting a second motor between the pump and motor. Just gear the 1750 RPM motor you have to turn the pump at 400 rpm. You will probably have to fabricate an adapter motor mount, as I doubt the motors will have the same frame. The motor should have a stout shaft (1 1/8" or more) to take the tension from the belts.

As for your 325, the lip seals in your hydraulic unloader may be wearing out, preventing it from shutting off air to the unloader towers. If the unloaders are held open a bit, air will drain from the cylinders, out into the towers and through the small vent hole. Alternately, there are two brass plungers in the unloader towers that are shaped like oversize poppet valves. These plungers have embedded silicone o-rings in them, in what would be the valve seat area of a car engine's valve. These o-rings seat against the upper surface of the unloader tower when control air is removed from the unloader system, This seals air inside the cylinder when the pump is operating. These o-rings can wear, and allow air from the cylinders to vent through the unloader vent holes as well. You can unscrew the unloader towers by removing the air lines from the top, and simply twisting them counter clockwise. The plungers will slide right out (unless they are seied, which could also lead to air leaks). You will see the silicone o-rings on the upper surface of the plunger's "puck" end. If they are worn, there is a very small roll pin that you can punch out. The big end of the plunger will fall off, and you can renew the o-ring.

Other than that, hard water scale can seize up the small steel pucks under the rubber diaphragm in the uppermost part of the unloader tower, causing inconsistent operation. You will also have to remove the control air lines to check this, except this time you will take out the screws holding the upper unloader tower cover on (the hexagonal aluminum covers). If you can, remove the rubber diaphragm as one piece, though this is often impossible once they are old and brittle. You will soon see if you have hard water deposits or rust here. Best remedy for either is abrasive blasting, although CLR can eliminate hard water deposits in a pinch (takes overnight soaking to do this).

None of these repairs is difficult or expensive. I doubt there is anything seriously wrong with your machine.

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Trucks

10-25-2004 18:00:20




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 Re: BIG Quincy air compressor help( Roger Please h in reply to Roger P., 10-24-2004 19:35:29  
Thanks alot Roger, I appreciate it very much.I already took the towers apart on the 325, and I bought extra diaphrams and gaskets one of the valves was rusted not too bad, but I cleaned it on the wire wheel, but I did not know I could unscrew the towers,I gues I could also tighten them up a bit if they are not sealing too good?I don't think you completely understood about the 5120 I don't want to run it on 3phase electric.I want to run it on a 220 volt 10hp motor I was just thinking of usint the 25hp motor for an idler pulley, and gear reduction. I also want to know about the oil?Thanks again for your help.

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Roger P.

10-26-2004 16:48:10




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 Re: BIG Quincy air compressor help( Roger Please h in reply to Trucks, 10-25-2004 18:00:20  
Shell Corena 68 or 122 would be good oil for this compressor. If you can't find that, a straight 30 weight oil will do, non detergent. Alternately, you could go with a synthetic like Mobil 1, but that would be a bit pricey with regular maintenance.

As far as using the 25 hp for an idler, I can't quite envisage what you are attempting, but it would probably be easier just to pull the 25, install the 10, and buy a sheave and belts. Forget what I said about fabricating a new motor mount. If the 5120 can be bought as a 10 hp, there are probably slots machined into the saddle already for the 10 hp motor frame mounting bolts.

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Trucks

10-26-2004 17:38:17




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 Re: BIG Quincy air compressor help( Roger Please h in reply to Roger P., 10-26-2004 16:48:10  

Thanks alot Roger.I am always fooling with some kind of air compressor I just like them. I have a chance to buy an old princeton air compressor I think I asked you about it before, I am not sure it is a 2 stage 3hp 80gal. vertical, and I can get it for $200.00.I am a tool junkie.I was wondering if I could have your email address so I could contact you directly, instead of posting some of my crazy questions in this forum?On the thing about the oil an air compressor place I deal with sells some kind of oil, and I was going to get some until he told me how much it costs, I sent my mom to get some cause I was working on my dad's old 230 I was going to get what he called a pail of oil turns out it costs $150.00 and it is like 5gal. I think?He doesn't sell it in smaller containers.I was wondering about the 325 my main compressor for my shop if the hyd. unloader is leaking can it be repaired, or is it toast?and what is some of the things that will happen when the hyd. unloader valve is going out?Thanks so much for your patience with me, I really appreciate all your help.GOD bless you.
My email address is [email protected]

Thanks again.

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Roger P.

10-26-2004 19:19:39




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 Re: BIG Quincy air compressor help( Roger Please h in reply to Trucks, 10-26-2004 17:38:17  
If your hydraulic unloader is failing, you will observe a failure to pump, and air will escape from the unloader towers. Performance will be poor. Make sure this is not low oil pressure! If your oil pressure is low it will also produce these symptoms. You can buy overhaul kits for just the hydraulic unloader. It is just a few orings, a cup seal, an X ring, a small filter element and some small filter screens. If it is the type that fix onto the rear of the pump, over the oil filter, it is just a diaphragm and some other bits and pieces. Easy job to repair.

$150 for compressor oil is not uncommon. Sullair 24KT oil is $1000 a pail, but it is special silicone lubricant. Shell Corena 68 or 122 oil should not be nearly this expensive.

I prefer not to give out my email, as I have been snowed by requests for help in the past, and I am loathe to deny anyone aid, so it takes up a lot of time, especially if people are not too mechanically inclined. I also got tired of telling people their Brunners were dead, lol. I find that enough different types of questions come up here on the board, and enough people read my replies (not to sound self-important), that I am doing people some good, without being overwhelmed.

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Trucks

10-28-2004 18:37:27




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 Re: BIG Quincy air compressor help( Roger Please h in reply to Roger P., 10-26-2004 19:19:39  
Thanks alot Roger,I just didn't want to take up too much forum space with some crazy questions.Like I said I have a thing for air compressors, and just like my hero Tim Taylor BIGGER is BETTER so when I got a chance to trade for this monster I couldn't pass it up.My main compressor is this 325, and the hyd.unloader is above the oil filter(spin on type)it is leaking oil and the oil psi is fine other than it is spraying oil up on the jug.I have a place about 50miles away to get parts I just was wondering if it was disposable or rebuildable.Thanks for all your help I really appreciate it and this website.

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Roger P.

10-29-2004 19:39:00




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 Re: BIG Quincy air compressor help( Roger Please h in reply to Trucks, 10-28-2004 18:37:27  
This unloader is rebuildable. If I remember correctly, it is simply a rubber diaphragm and a small shuttle valve with a return spring. I do believe you can get the internal parts, however it might be a simple enough job just to pull it apart and cut your own diaphragm from thin rubber sheeting. It simply unscrews into two pieces, and the rubber diaphragm pulls right out. The diaphragm moves the internal parts with oil pressure, and it also seals the two case halves along its outer edge. Any ruptures in this diaphragm will produce poor unloading and oil leaks. Internals might need a light cleaning. This would explain the odd noises you are getting, since it probably cannot fully unload the pump, or it might not be fully reloading. This would agree with the fact that you stated that if you cover the unloader vent on the tower the noise stops. You are probably creating enough backpressure in the unloading system to force the small shuttle valve in the unloader back into its closed position.

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Trucks

10-30-2004 19:03:53




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 Re: BIG Quincy air compressor help( Roger Please h in reply to Roger P., 10-29-2004 19:39:00  
Thanks again Keep up the good work.We all really appreciate your answers!!
Trucks



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T_Bone

10-27-2004 01:19:07




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 Re: BIG Quincy air compressor help( Roger Please h in reply to Roger P., 10-26-2004 19:19:39  
Thanks for keeping your replies online Roger as I really enjoy reading them.

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