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MF285

10-23-2004 00:41:17




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Just wonderin if anyone here has done any hardfacing. looking to do some deep ripper points. Have been using weldmould 353 5/32 electodes. I am wondering if there is any wire available to do the same job with my 200amp mig? Probably could only go as big as .035 wire diameter.




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Fred OH

10-25-2004 08:31:16




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 Re: HardFacing in reply to MF285, 10-23-2004 00:41:17  
For years my company used Lincoln Abrasoweld 5/32 and 3/16 stick rod to build up ammonia knives. It was inexpensive and did a good job. You could hear the occasional little "tlink" after welding but no problem in the field. We placed them in a box of lime after welding to slow the cooling a little. Don"t know if Lincoln still makes them or not. Fred OH



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JT

10-25-2004 06:15:10




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 Re: HardFacing in reply to MF285, 10-23-2004 00:41:17  
My Dad used to do that. He used a stick welder with Studite rods. NC Wayne is right, it is a Stoody product. Good stuff, though.



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Road Warrior

10-24-2004 17:39:13




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 Re: HardFacing in reply to MF285, 10-23-2004 00:41:17  
I used to hard surface ripper points on Terra-Gators a few years ago. They were used in extreme conditions, pulled about 10-12 inches deep, and at speeds up to 10mph.

We used some hard surface wire, but I can't remember the brand or model. In the end we went back to stick welding, mainly due to cost.

The boss told me to hard surface the entire face of the point, but I insisted that a checker-board pattern on the face would last longer. He finally agreed to let me do half of the points on one machine for a test.

It turned out my way was better, the checkerboard pattern lasted 2-3 times longer than the solid surfaced points. Reason being - dirt will pack in the "hollow" areas between your hard surface beads. This allows more dirt-on-dirt contact on the face of the point, eliminating most of the wear.

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leland

10-28-2004 17:41:43




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 Re: HardFacing in reply to Road Warrior, 10-24-2004 17:39:13  
I used to do those also but how long would you go before resurfacing. we never plowed at 10 mph usually about 1-3 mph and we could get 3-4 weeks running 24 hrs a day shooting poop . Ever get a gator stuck that is a fun retrivel.



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T_Bone

10-23-2004 22:59:57




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 Re: HardFacing in reply to MF285, 10-23-2004 00:41:17  
Hi MF,

Lincoln makes some flux cored hardsurface wire, Lincore M, but only in .045 and at 200a your going to be lacking penetration unless you preheat to about 500�. The Lincore M is also a downhill or horzontial sloped electrode that maybe a limiting fator for you.

I've never used the FC hardface wire so just going from past SWAG experience. You have a much better choice in SMAW (stick) for build up and impact hardface electrodes.

T_Bone

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NC Wayne

10-23-2004 17:16:10




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 Re: HardFacing in reply to MF285, 10-23-2004 00:41:17  
There are several companies out there that make hardfacing wire, but the one that I usually hear about more than all the others is Stoody. Here is a link to the Thermodyne site that tells about all of the Stoody products. There are also several places that are taking a mild steel plate and hardfacing it. By doing it this way you can weld the plate in place using a regular electrode, saving major amounts of time, and all that's left is to hardface that particular weld if need be. The one place I can think of off the top of my head doing this is Cronatron (sp?) Welding Systems. I've seen their plate used in several applications that were subjected to extreme abrasive conditions over the course of a year or more and they didn't look that much different than the day they were put on. Good luck finding what you want.

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Preston

10-28-2004 01:02:30




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 Re: HardFacing in reply to NC Wayne , 10-23-2004 17:16:10  
Try Eutectic+Castolin. They are an international welding company dealing in all kinds of niche welding products. Good luck



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Ken Hortman

01-23-2005 17:26:47




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 Re: HardFacing in reply to Preston, 10-28-2004 01:02:30  
I'm a cronatron Rep. Please contact me about any Hard facing issues. I'll be glad to help ou with any problems you have.



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