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O/T? Outdoor wood stoves

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R-man

10-19-2004 16:39:20




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I want to buy one of the outdoor woodstoves to heat the house and shop- a total of 3900 sq. ft.
Don't know anyone who has one of these. Is there much difference from brand to brand? Stainless or mild steel or boiler plate? Round or square fire box? Fiberglass or foam insulation? Any suggestions are greatly appreciated. I hate to spend $7000+ and make the wrong choice.




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Farmered

10-23-2004 20:32:41




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 Re: O/T? Outdoor wood stoves in reply to R-man, 10-19-2004 16:39:20  
We are starting the tenth season with our Central Boiler. We use mostly pallets for fuel. We like it.We do wish it had grates but it does a pretty good job if you rake the ashes with a forage hook every time you add wood to bring up the unburned chunks out of the ashes. We put in a quart of boiler conditioner every year at $15 I could probably build one but I was glad to have one with a UL label on it when I got a visit from an EPA inspector. I also got warned against burning any manufactured wood products (plywood, flakeboard etc.) He said I got some contaminated pallets. I said "What?" and he said some of them have paint on them. It didn't matter to him how much smoke I was making as long as I was burning the right stuff and it has a UL label. Ed

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Slofr8

10-22-2004 04:49:29




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 Re: O/T? Outdoor wood stoves in reply to R-man, 10-19-2004 16:39:20  
Found this site while researching a while back.
Good luck and let us know what you decide.



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Ibby

10-21-2004 02:59:50




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 Re: O/T? Outdoor wood stoves in reply to R-man, 10-19-2004 16:39:20  
I have a mid-sized Woodmaster, and sure wish I didn't! The dealer was a lying SOB that sold me a bill of goods. I heard they yanked the franchise from him. New dealer seems OK.

Main problem is mine has no grates, and will not burn hardwood. If I try burning dry hardwood, It rapidly fills with coals that smother themselves and go out. I GOT to burn dead, dry spruce, tamarack and Pine to keep the coals from plugging it solid. With those fuels, it works good enough, but the stench is much worse than with hardwood.

That being said - it DOES work good to heat this HUGE farmhouse with about 100 face cords/year. The concept is great, I love leaving the mess outside and the extended burn time is wonderful. I'll be trading mine off in a few years for one with grates in it.

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Leland

10-20-2004 20:51:25




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 Re: O/T? Outdoor wood stoves in reply to R-man, 10-19-2004 16:39:20  
Built one outside for a friend and set it up for forced air with thermostat,will take 4ft chunks up to 10inches only feed it once a day sometimes every other if it's above 30 outside built block building around it about 20 ft from house to keep insurance man happy put in coil for water but they have never used it. it's square and made of 1/4 plate lined with brick and jacket is 1/64 sheet.cost was about 750.00 and used parts from old furances for blower and elect switches to kick on motor. also still has gas for backup his wife won't touch the thing and if they take off they don't worry about freeze ups. there easy to build just a lot of cutting and welding wire

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Leland

10-20-2004 20:50:04




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 Re: O/T? Outdoor wood stoves in reply to R-man, 10-19-2004 16:39:20  
Built one outside for a friend and set it up for forced air with thermostat,will take 4ft chunks up to 10inches only feed it once a day sometimes every other if it's above 30 outside built block building around it about 20 ft from house to keep insurance man happy put in coil for water but have never used it. it's squqre and made of 1/4 plate lined with brick and jacket is 1/64 sheet.cost was about 750.00 and used parts from old furances for blower and elect switches to kick on motor. also still has gas for backup his wife won't touch the thing and if they take off they don't worry about freeze ups. there easy to build just a lot of cutting and welding wire

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John *.?-!.* cub owner

10-20-2004 19:22:59




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 Re: O/T? Outdoor wood stoves in reply to R-man, 10-19-2004 16:39:20  
One thing to remember, you can't go on vacation in cold weather unless someone is available to fire the stove, the water will freeze.



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Can't even use my name

10-20-2004 20:24:38




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 Re: O/T? Outdoor wood stoves in reply to John *.?-!.* cub owner, 10-20-2004 19:22:59  
They sell an antifreeze for this reason. If I remember correctly it only requires a gallon or so for the whole system.



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JMS/MN

10-20-2004 19:31:47




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 Re: O/T? Outdoor wood stoves in reply to John *.?-!.* cub owner, 10-20-2004 19:22:59  
I run a 30% antifreeze mix in an Aqua-Therm outside boiler to eliminate that problem. Got some old AF (50% mix) for free from a trucking company and a construction company when they did the normal changeovers in their fleets.



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teamjunkyard

10-20-2004 11:12:26




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 Re: O/T? Outdoor wood stoves in reply to R-man, 10-19-2004 16:39:20  
I have a empyre, and love it, did my home work on stove construction. only thing I would recommend is watching different brands burn, if smoking your neighbors out is a problem



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Sparkplug

10-20-2004 13:07:14




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 Re: O/T? Outdoor wood stoves in reply to teamjunkyard, 10-20-2004 11:12:26  
Do you burn coal in yours? I would like to try to burn a little coal but I wasn't sure if I could in that stove or not. I seen on the web site there is coal add on? What is intailed in that?

I think they all smoke.. it is when the air is pumped in after sitting there and smoldering.

Looks like they got a new aquastat.. on the newer models I seen it on the web site. They also have idiot lights for some reason on the pannel? I wish mine had a light to let me know when the fan has kicked on. Mine does a big bang when the fan comes on.

Where do you live at? I am in Ohio so I usually start burning in mid Nov. and quit mid march.

Talk to you later Tom.

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Sparkplug

10-20-2004 04:43:16




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 Re: O/T? Outdoor wood stoves in reply to R-man, 10-19-2004 16:39:20  
I have the Empyre, I did the checking and looking I liked the Empyre cause it does have the water jacket all the way around the fire box. I also liked it cuse it is the 304ss. the thicker stainless. I have use mine for 2 yrs now and love it. I do not like the service that I got. The dealers all sell other stoves and they really don't push the Empyres, probably don't make enough from them. So the service really sad. Kinda a pity cause they have good merchandise. Check out their website. I am going to try and post it. If you have any questions please email me.

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Gus

10-20-2004 02:47:14




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 Re: O/T? Outdoor wood stoves in reply to R-man, 10-19-2004 16:39:20  
I have a Heatmor, stainless, 36" log capacity. Only going in to my second season with it. So far it's great. Have heard woodmaster is good too. Check your dealer out by referals. I didn't and was sorry. Good product, bad service.



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moline

10-20-2004 10:32:47




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 Re: O/T? Outdoor wood stoves in reply to Gus, 10-20-2004 02:47:14  
I have a central boiler,Ilove it.I havent really heard of a "bad" brand out there,just as some of the fellows pointed out,bad dealers.My unit is not stainless steel,I dont know how much difference that makes as I have a 25 year warranty on the boiler.The dealers were telling me I did not need stainless or that I did,depending on what they had to sell.Moline



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TimS

10-22-2004 07:58:34




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 Re: O/T? Outdoor wood stoves in reply to moline, 10-20-2004 10:32:47  
When we bought our place in "02 it came with a Hardy outdoor wood burner. I had to do some work on it to get it working, ( bad pump impeller, split domestic hot water coil, both from freezing, wire the relays correctly so the air conditioner didn"t turn on with the wood heating pump circuit haha ) but since then it has worked very well.

I started it up a bit early this year to check it out when the weather got cool, since it is helping keep the electric cost down by running water thru the domestic hot water coil before it goes in the water heater I will just leave it fired up, it doesn"t use much wood at all this time of year.

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