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Jerry A.

10-12-2004 11:50:56




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Any suggestions for a reasonably priced GPS system that has software for determining acreage/surface area. I need something to measure fields to know what to charge the tenent farmer.

Thanks.




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Charles (in GA)

10-12-2004 19:48:15




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 Re: GPS system for measuring acreage.... in reply to Jerry A., 10-12-2004 11:50:56  
Your property tax assessor/appraisers should have maps, aerial photos with property boundries on them. If you can show their mapper how you plan to slice it up, they can probably use a plen-o-meter (can't spell) to measure the area on the map. They trace around the edges and it gives the acreage. If they have a GIS system they probably can give you some real good numbers.

Charles



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Bob East-TN

10-12-2004 17:08:05




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 Re: GPS system for measuring acreage.... in reply to Jerry A., 10-12-2004 11:50:56  
I have an eTrex Vista and have also used the device to check acreage. I rented my whole farm based on the GPS measurements. Later I wondered if or how accurate it was so I bought an eTrex from Garmin.
Sorry about the length of the post, but to measure areas with one of the handheld GPS units requires some qualifing. First off the unit must be equipped to receive the WAAS satellite to get the accuracy to 9 ft. Without the WAAS it is around 20ft. The more expensive eTrex's can rec. WAAS. I walked a measured one (1) acre retangle ten (10) times and recorded the track and had the unit calculate the area in sq. ft. I was never closer than 2500 sq. ft. to the measured acre. More likely 3000+ for most of the tracks. Many factors enter into the picture to improve accuracy. to achieve centimeter accuracy on land area with GPS would require more like ten grand than the 300 for an eTrex.
Hope this helps it is an exceedingly complex operation, but the cool factor is great and they have a ton of uses.
Bob

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David - OR

10-12-2004 19:43:29




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 Re: GPS system for measuring acreage.... in reply to Bob East-TN, 10-12-2004 17:08:05  
There is a way to coax somewhat more accuracy out of a handheld GPS by using a "do it yourself" differential correction.

Basically, circumscribe the area in question with a series of line segments. Stake out the endpoints of each line. Position the GPS over one end of a line, and allow it to "average" over a period of 30 seconds or so (if it has this capability). Record the position on paper, or save it as a waypoint. It is easiest to use the UTM system; this will give you your coordinates in meters -- you really only need about the last four digits.

Now walk to the other end of the line and allow it to collect the position in the same fashion. Record this position, keeping track of the order you make the measurements. Go all the way around the loop and "close out" the traverse at the original first point.

After you are done, take all the raw data back to your office. Starting from the first point, subtract the coordinates of each end of each line segment to compute a "delta East" and "delta North" for that segment. Graph it on paper or use Autocad or whatever to create the set of line segments. Then measure the area enclosed by the line segments.

You can measure the difference in position between two points more accurately than you can measure the absolute position in space of those two points, simply because some of the sources of error (atmospheric propagation and satellite geometry) cancel out when you do the subtraction.

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Big Jim

10-12-2004 23:18:28




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 Re: GPS system for measuring acreage.... in reply to David - OR, 10-12-2004 19:43:29  
Key point here. Make sure your machine does the averaging thing. Everything I've read on GPS claims accuracy improves with time. Let it set at each point long enough to achieve it's maximum resolution.



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Jerry A.

10-12-2004 17:22:46




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 Re: GPS system for measuring acreage.... in reply to Bob East-TN, 10-12-2004 17:08:05  
Thanks for the input.



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big fred

10-12-2004 15:17:32




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 Re: GPS system for measuring acreage.... in reply to Jerry A., 10-12-2004 11:50:56  
My Garmin E-Trex Legend will do that. They are priced around $200 now. I don"t know if the less expensive ones will measure area or not.



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thurlow

10-12-2004 14:03:29




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 Re: GPS system for measuring acreage.... in reply to Jerry A., 10-12-2004 11:50:56  
Your local ASC/ASCS/FSA agency (or whatever they"re calling it today..... haven"t checked this week) will have maps with the acreage listed for each field.....



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txsprigger

10-12-2004 19:23:16




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 Re: GPS system for measuring acreage.... in reply to thurlow, 10-12-2004 14:03:29  
It's NRCS this week. We use Garmin GPS map76 hand units. Sell at Wally world or Academy for about 375, if you want more accuracy have to get a beacon reciever and run it up to 1200 or so. But for measuring for the work you are talking about, the hand held alone is plenty accurate enough.



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Jerry A.

10-12-2004 14:56:58




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 Re: GPS system for measuring acreage.... in reply to thurlow, 10-12-2004 14:03:29  
The ASC office could help, but I'm dividing the fields along different or new lines, so the maps won't exactly work. The fields will be odd shapes and not readily measureable by simple means (I don't intend on having the fields surveyed, either).

I know there are GPS systems that will provide the info I need.



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paul

10-12-2004 19:59:50




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 Re: GPS system for measuring acreage.... in reply to Jerry A., 10-12-2004 14:56:58  
The FSA software can do this for you, they move & make lines on their digital maps & it spits out the acres automatically.

Now, whether you can talk them into actually doing this for you....

--->Paul



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Alan Y.

10-12-2004 13:21:10




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 Re: GPS system for measuring acreage.... in reply to Jerry A., 10-12-2004 11:50:56  
Does your state have a property tax? If so, your property tax bill might have that info on it or it might be available from the county property tax assessor. Of course, this assumes the property you're renting is the full tax parcel. If you are renting only a part of it, this idea might not work.



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Chuck MI

10-12-2004 12:13:42




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 Try an arial photo in reply to Jerry A., 10-12-2004 11:50:56  
Try an arial photo, they are available in most areas. Use the scale and measure it out. Alot cheaper than a GPS.

Chuck



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haybud

10-13-2004 03:54:04




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 Re: Try an arial photo in reply to Chuck MI, 10-12-2004 12:13:42  
arial photos are free terraserver.com then go to address search



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