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Is there any way.... (hey roger)

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cas

10-02-2004 20:27:01




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To figure cfm out put of a compressor with out disecting it? My titan industrial gas powered job it suppose to put out 12 cfm at 100 psi. I figure the pump is running some where around 1200 rpms. First is this a realistic? Is it possible this pump could produce this? And secondly is there any way to tell what is being produced with out disecting the pump??


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Rod (NH)

10-03-2004 13:55:07




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 Re: Is there any way.... (hey roger) in reply to cas, 10-02-2004 20:27:01  
Hi cas,

Here's another way to estimate capacity that's pretty easy. Just rearrange the equation to solve for cfm instead of time. Make sure you use absolute values for pressures (psig+14.7). Also from Ingersoll-Rand.

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jeffcat

10-02-2004 23:45:01




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 Re: Is there any way.... (hey roger) in reply to cas, 10-02-2004 20:27:01  
WOW this is a neat little bit of information! Could you expand the info down just a little more for us folk with little systems. Thank jeff



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Roger P.

10-03-2004 18:57:41




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 Re: Is there any way.... (hey roger) in reply to jeffcat, 10-02-2004 23:45:01  
For a 1/16" orifice:

20psi = 1.96 CFM, 25 psi = 2.25 CFM, 30 PSI = 2.53 cfm, 35 psi = 2.81 cfm, 40 psi = 3.10 cfm, 45 psi = 3.38 cfm, 50 psi = 3.66 cfm, 60 psi = 4.23 cfm, 70 psi = 4.79 cfm, 80 psi = 5.36 cfm.

For a 1/8" orifice:

20 psi = 7.86 cfm, 25 psi = 8.98 cfm, 30 psi = 10.1 cfm, 35 psi = 11.3 cfm, 40 psi = 12.4 cfm

A real 5hp compressor should be able to hold between 60 - 80 psi with a 1/8" orifice.

A good 10 hp compressor should be able to hold between 25 - 35 psi with a 1/4" orifice.

A good 20 hp compressor should be able to hold between 65 - 90 psi with a 1/4" orifice.

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Roger P.

10-02-2004 20:58:36




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 Re: Is there any way.... (hey roger) in reply to cas, 10-02-2004 20:27:01  
Yes, you can do a flow test through an orifice. Remove any regulators, valves, filters or other obstructions at the discharge of the air tank. Scew in a pipe nipple, about 4 inches long. Attach a tee. Screw in a pressure gauge at the top of the tee, and screw in another short pipe nipple so you have male threads at the end. Screw on a pipe cap with a 1/8" hole drilled in it. The hole should be deburred and drilled as cleanly and accurately as you can manage. Use pipe dope on all threads so the measurement will be as accurate as possible. Start your compressor and record the maxiumum discharge pressure that it can maintain with the orifice as the only restriction in the discharge. If your machine is putting out 12 CFM, it should hold around 35~40 psi. Here are the figures given in my Ingersoll Rand "Air Power" handbook:

Pressure maintained with a 1/8" Orifice: 20 psi = 7.86 cfm, 25 psi = 8.98 cfm, 30 psi = 10.1 cfm, 35 psi = 11.3 cfm, 40 psi = 12.4 cfm.

Remember, these values are calculated at "standard" conditions, 70 F @ sea level. The shape of the orifice can also slightly affect the values. You should use a glycerine filled pressure gauge as well, to help dampen vibrations. Don't be too disappointed if your machine puts out somewhat less than it's specifications, especially if you live at a bit of an elevation. In Edmonton, at around 2200ft, compressors were only able to deliver 97% of their claimed output.

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Roger P.

10-02-2004 21:00:16




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 Re: Is there any way.... (hey roger) in reply to Roger P., 10-02-2004 20:58:36  
By the way, 12 CFM is what a decent 3hp electric drive should produce, so it's not an overly optimistic claim.



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