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Smark

09-30-2004 17:15:27

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I need a Barn for a work shop and to store my Tractor in. I have been looking at these Pole Barn Kits from assorted Lumber Yards. Does the Painted Steel Siding hold up, I am especially concerned about the Roof? Should I just go with the 3 tab Shingles? Any Advice appriciated- I'm new to Pole Barns. Thanks

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Midwest redneck

10-03-2004 15:37:04

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Re: Pole Barn Kits in reply to Smark, 09-30-2004 17:15:27

I remember an old neighbor of mine had a large diamond shingle, and he called it the 30 year shingle. You also need good ventalation through the roof to make the shingles last, I have also heard of the seams on steel roofs leaking I have never installed one or seen one installed though. best of luck.

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jdemaris

10-02-2004 15:53:31

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Re: Pole Barn Kits in reply to Smark, 09-30-2004 17:15:27

I've built several of them and I wouldn't think of using anything for roofing other than metal in a high snow area. Yes, I've heard the complaints about leaking - but from what I've seen - the problem is bad installation, not bad materials. The steel roofing lets snow slide off of it, not collect and freeze. In my area, a lot of homes are now going to steel roofing. Main problem is that . . . if the building is going to have any heat, you'll get condensation and "rain drops" inside. It's not really a leak, but the result is the same. If you ARE going to heat the building, and you want to do a leak or condensation proof job, use sheathing - not just purlins. 1/2" or 5/8" CDX plywood, then a good vapor barrier, and then 1" or 1 1/2" thick purlins that the roofing gets screwed to. This gives and air space between the roofing and the plywood. IT WILL NOT LEAK. I laugh a little someimes about some of the stuff I hear and the bad installations I see. Our local building inspector IS also a building contractor and ALL his steel roof jobs leak. He says he won't install them anymore. I DON'T BLAME HIM. One more note - another responder mentioned the new steel not being as good as the old stuff. NOT ENTIRELY TRUE. Much of the old roofing had soldered seams. I've got two barns built in the early 1800s that still have their original soldered-seam roofs. So does my house. Much of the new steel roofing is fastened with external fasteners (nails or screws with sealing washers). I've had no trouble with them, but . . . you can also buy steel roofing that has NO external fasteners. It costs more and is more work to put up. My only complaint about the external fasteners is I often them with my snow shovel when I'm clearing excessive snow off my roof (had over 6' on one of my almost flat roofs last year when I finally got around to shovelling it).

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paul

10-01-2004 14:11:15

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Re: Pole Barn Kits in reply to Smark, 09-30-2004 17:15:27

Only thing on this farm with those lousy shingles will be the house. Wind takes them off any big roof around here. Hate the things. Roof on the 'new' shed built in '68 is just starting to show some age with metal roof, probably have to paint it or something in another 10 years or so. Peeled those so&so shingles off the barn roof 25 years ago, put good steel up there, looks like new yet. I'd be looking at peeling them off again right now... Just had the third coat of paint put on the grainery this summer, needs a couple screws to tack the ridge down where they loosened, but that was built on 1909 with the original tin on the roof.

Would not go with asphault shingles ever again.

--->Paul

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Robert in W. Mi.

10-04-2004 18:55:25

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Re: Pole Barn Kits in reply to paul, 10-01-2004 14:11:15

We are talking about "today" tin, not 30 years ago tin!! BIG difference!!!

Une quality shingles, and they last a long long time, better than a leaking tin roof.

BTW, why have shigles on you house, if they aren't any good????? ?

Robert

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Robert in W. Mi.

10-01-2004 13:37:17

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Re: Pole Barn Kits in reply to Smark, 09-30-2004 17:15:27

In my area, NO one puts a metal roof on there pole barns anymore, because they leak when they get older!! (yes even with screws)

I've helped tear off the medal and go to shingles on 3 of them now, and my buddy has 2 right now that are leaking.

The new tin isn't the quality of the old tin, and although it's fine on a side walls, i'd not own tin on the roof of mine!!

Last time i checked the total price of putting on tin, was within a few $$ of useing shingles.

The building instector here told me he hates to "ok" a pole barn with a metal roof anymore.

Robert

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Bill Drew

10-01-2004 09:03:37

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Check the assembled price in reply to Smark, 09-30-2004 17:15:27

The guys who put up pole barns get the material wholesale, cheaper than you can. Before I had mine put up, I asked some of the local builders and they told me that they couldn't buy the materials for the price the specialized outfits charged to put the whole thing up. Took them a bit over a day and a half to put up a 30x63x10 pole barn.

Photos of pole barn going up

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cootbruce

10-01-2004 06:02:21

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Re: Pole Barn Kits in reply to Smark, 09-30-2004 17:15:27

I purchased a Meynards pole barn kit, and except for the poor directions, it was a really nice kit and I am very happy with my shop. 30x42 metal walls and roof. My advice, use screws, I did and a few times I had to back them out and move a sheet of metal. In fact, I was not happy with my roof and I removed it (twice) and screwed it back on...can't do that with nails...also, if you in snow country (like me) go steeper than 4/12 on the pitch, wish I had, snow just does not slide on a 4/12. Make sure everything is square from the get-go...it pays off in the end.

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Dusty

09-30-2004 17:32:49

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Re: Pole Barn Kits in reply to Smark, 09-30-2004 17:15:27

I don't know about the package kits, but I've got a Morton thats 21 years old that I'm just now painting. It's needed the paint for the last 3 years. I'd rather paint than re-roof.

Dusty

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MarkB_MI

09-30-2004 17:29:03

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Re: Pole Barn Kits in reply to Smark, 09-30-2004 17:15:27

I used a pole barn kit from Carter Lumber to build my shop. I went with T1-11 plywood siding and shingles, just so it would match my house. I don't think you have to worry about the durablity of the steel siding; I'm sure it will outlast shingles and you'll never have to paint it.

I would opt for screws rather than nails to fasten the siding. I helped a friend nail up steel siding on his pole barn and that was no fun at all. It's very easy to whack your thumb, especially since the 2x4 girts really bounce around.

Note that a pole barn kit from your lumberyard uses standard house trusses and solid 6x6 posts. A kit from a regular pole barn manufacturer will use special trusses and laminated posts. As a result, the manufactured kit will go up faster and be more square than a lumberyard kit.

I have been very happy with my lumberyard kit. It was really economical, but it did take me a couple of years to get it done, doing most of the work myself.

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Big Jim

10-01-2004 02:33:31

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Re: Pole Barn Kits in reply to MarkB_MI, 09-30-2004 17:29:03

Man, I couldn't imagine siding a pole barn without an air nailer. I think it would be worth it to rent one for a project like that.

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Can't even use my name

10-01-2004 17:48:36

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Re: Pole Barn Kits in reply to Big Jim, 10-01-2004 02:33:31

If you are putting up steel I'd opt for screws. They go in easier than nails and don't come loose after years of heat and cold.

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thurlow

10-01-2004 05:54:25

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Re: Pole Barn Kits in reply to Big Jim, 10-01-2004 02:33:31

Lots of tools you want, but don't know if you can justify owning; after buying, you wonder how you ever made it without them. Top of my list; 1. air nailer 2. good quality battery-powered drill

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FarmerDave

10-01-2004 07:02:35

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Re: Pole Barn Kits in reply to thurlow, 10-01-2004 05:54:25

I am thinking of buying some first quality nailers, bostich, and selling them when I finish the new roof. I don't see how it could be more expensive than renting. I go to some of these auctions and it seems people pay near full price.

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