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jniolon

09-29-2004 17:44:31




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can anyone recommend a general weed/grass killer that a normal person can buy without license and permits and government oversite... that will help me control weeds in a natural area. My weeds laugh out loud at "Roundup" and Ortho brands... they might dull the color a little but in a week they are stronger than ever... I think it has fertilizer in it !!

I wouldn"t mind it if it sterilized the ground...I"m tired of working harder in natural areas than in the yard...

any suggestions

John

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hjp

09-30-2004 21:32:15




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 Re: weed killer in reply to jniolon, 09-29-2004 17:44:31  
I tell you what, I found that "BAYER" (asprin company type) makes a weed/brush killer that killed the fresh water bamboo (arrow head)I could not get rid of with everything else I tried !!!!! I dont recomend it for headaches,it may be your last !!It's sold through lowes.
This weed grows faster than dandilions and will be 4 ft tall in a week and as thick as a nickle,this stuff is only designed to kill "woody" type plants and recks havoc on poison ivy,vines 2 yrs and no regrowth!!!

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jim

09-30-2004 19:30:21




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 Re: weed killer in reply to jniolon, 09-29-2004 17:44:31  
Roundup will not mix with water when filling, it will settle to the bottom. You must mix-shake- your hand held sprayers otherwise you will get a shot of Roundup then the rest is water.



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Engineer20

09-30-2004 18:55:30




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 Re: weed killer in reply to jniolon, 09-29-2004 17:44:31  
I like to use "Speedzone" works wonders but very expensive. $50.00/gallon concentrate. It kills some of the tougher weeds like Ground Ivy in one day! Just my .02 cents.

Enigneer20



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CNKS

09-30-2004 17:11:54




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 Re: weed killer in reply to jniolon, 09-29-2004 17:44:31  
Monsanto developed Roundup (glyphosate) as a grass herbicide. I would never consider glyphosate the standard for weed control unless you are talking about grassy weeds, on those it does mostly a good job if you get the rate high enough. Despite the hype about it in TV ads, for farm use it is still basically a grass herbicide. For broadleaf control, mix 24-32 oz of glyphosate (the 41%, 4 lb/gal stuff, not the dilute Walmart stuff) with a quart of 4 lb/gal 2,4-D, or better Banvel (dicamba, I forget the rate). This should give you control until more weeds emerge. The glyphosate+dicamba will give better control than glyphosate+2,4-D, as they tend to regrow. I wouldn't try sterilizing, some of those chemicals last a long time. There are many herbicides that can be applied on your own property without a license, ask your county agent what the restricted use ones are, there aren't very many. Been using herbicides for 30+ years, am retired from the Kansas Ag Experiment Station. The key to good weed control is to get them when they are small.

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Leland

09-30-2004 15:54:21




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 Re: weed killer in reply to jniolon, 09-29-2004 17:44:31  
Go to the farm supply and buy TOTAL VEGATATION KILLER some of this stuff prevents regrowth for up to 18 months costs about 30.00 a quart



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Kendall

09-30-2004 09:56:59




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 Re: weed killer in reply to jniolon, 09-29-2004 17:44:31  
Roundup is #1 down south. It works for me. I think you need to check on your mixture strength. If you're using the ready made stuff, try the concentrate and mix it a little stronger than recommended and repeat application once a week. Roundup works by being absorbed into the plant from the leaves/blades so make sure all the leaves or grass blades get wet. Has no affect if applied to the ground.



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Davis In SC

09-29-2004 21:55:02




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 Re: weed killer in reply to jniolon, 09-29-2004 17:44:31  
For hand spray applications, a squirt of dish detergent works wonders as a wetting agent for Roundup. Also, try to apply on a hot,dry day..... Weeds will absorb it better then...



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Gerald J.

09-29-2004 19:11:34




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 Re: weed killer in reply to jniolon, 09-29-2004 17:44:31  
Look for roundup a bit stronger than they typical garden center 1%. 2 to 4% with a bit of ammonium sulfate and some additions to make it soak in better are effective. You have to cover the whole tree, not just a few leaves.

Look on the internet for the label for a product like Glystar plus. It gives concentrations (based on diluting the farm standard product with 41% glyphosate).

A farm store should have the strong glyphosate and some AMS, or a country elevator, or contract farm sprayer.

Mix the AMS in the water first. It attaches to the hardness and iron and dirt in the water that would deactivate the glyphosate otherwise, and on some plants it makes then take up the glyphosate better.

Where are you located? Most farmers using glyphosate for field work have a lifetime supply for you left over each year.

Gerald

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Indydirtfarmer

09-29-2004 18:10:34




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 Re: weed killer in reply to jniolon, 09-29-2004 17:44:31  
First off, Round-up is the industry standard for weed control. Make sure you"re mixing right, and applying right. Use a surfactent (i.e. crop oil) to make it stick to the weeds better. If you"re having trouble with BROADLEAF weeds, try 2-4D. It"s more effective on broadleafs, but will leave residuals in the soil. (Round-Up is soil in-active) You joke about Glyphosate(Round-up) being fertilizer. Try applying your weed killer WITH fertilizer. It promotes a stronger plant, which takes up the chemicals better, leading to their demise. John

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FarmerDave

09-30-2004 11:28:20




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 Re: weed killer in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 09-29-2004 18:10:34  
... but will leave residuals in the soil ...

How long do these last and what side effects do they have?



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CNKS

09-30-2004 17:00:00




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 Re: weed killer in reply to FarmerDave, 09-30-2004 11:28:20  
A lot of herbicides leave residue in the soil, that's how many are supposed to work. As for 2,4-D, the effects are minimal -- the label says not to use on the same ground more than twice a year.



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