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TheRealRon

09-24-2004 08:45:41




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Anything that meets the pertinent OSHA standard is considered "OSHA approved". This is why the manufacturers can use the term for marketing and labeling purposes. The info is on the OSHA website.

Of course, if you use an "OSHA approved" item in a non-approved manner they get nasty (gas in a diesel container, for example).




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Matt Clark

09-28-2004 08:11:56




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 Re: OSHA APPROVED in reply to TheRealRon, 09-24-2004 08:45:41  
Sorry Ron...there is no such thing as "OSHA approved". I work with OSHA and EPA (as well as all state regulatory bodies in both areas) daily. OSHA approves nothing...they simply cite the employer if an object, tool, method, etc. does not meet their standards.

These standards can be found in the Code of Federal Regulations (CFR) or various state codes or regulations.



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NC Wayne

09-24-2004 20:36:02




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 Re: OSHA APPROVED in reply to TheRealRon, 09-24-2004 08:45:41  
Since I'm the one that initially brought it into the previous conversation I'll respond to this post too. What it all comes down to is a lesson in semantics. According to Mr. Webster the first or most favorable definition of approved means "to think or speak favorably of". Using that definition then any item may be approved by anybody, OSHA or otherwise. Basically it means that they preffer items with specific qualities to be used and speak favorably of (read as "don't fine") those that use them... Note I said they approve of the USE of the item.... However the second definition of approved is the one we are really talking about in this instance. That definition is "to confirm or sanction formally". In that respect OSHA does not approve of any item. In other words they do not formally sanction, condone, or whatever term you choose to use, any item for any purpose. What it all boils down to is OSHA is governing and enforcing agency, not an agency that tests items and insures, approves, sanctions, or whatever that they are suitable for a particular purpose. So to put it all as simply as possible, OHSA may approve of the USE of an item, but they do not actually approve of the item itself, hense no item is ever really OSHA approved, just it's use. As for what the site says about it, they just "approve/allow" the use of the term so people can understand it and maybe misunderstand it and as a rsult use the item in an unapproved way and get an approved fine..... If you doubt it ask the next OSHA inspector that darkens your door. If you think OSHA is bad, try MSHA sometime....they don't approve of anything either, and 99.9% of the regulations in their book are open to interpretation by the individual inspector, wether he knows what the he-- he's talking about or not.

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Can't even use my own nam

09-24-2004 17:14:02




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 Re: OSHA APPROVED in reply to TheRealRon, 09-24-2004 08:45:41  
The reason you can't use gas in a diesel container is because gas is "flammable" while diesel is "combustable". If the container is up to code for flammable liquids then you can transport either gas or diesel, if it is only rated for combustable liquids like most transfer tanks are you can only transport diesel or other combustable liquids. Where did this post come from anyways? Trying to stir some more fire are we?

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SHeiserman

09-24-2004 16:26:34




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 Re: OSHA APPROVED in reply to TheRealRon, 09-24-2004 08:45:41  
Here's a test for you: go out in your shop and try to find something "OSHA approved". Manufacturers market/certify their products as being in conformance with applicable standards. Don't argue with me though, sit through an OSHA 10 hour class and argue with the instructor.



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Mike M

09-24-2004 09:50:28




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 Re: OSHA APPROVED in reply to TheRealRon, 09-24-2004 08:45:41  
The rest of the world does not have to put up with EPA,OSHA or any other regulations do they ? That's just another reason they can sell stuff so cheap.



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Ben in KY

09-24-2004 11:04:18




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 Re: OSHA APPROVED in reply to Mike M, 09-24-2004 09:50:28  
Yes MIke and we do not have children working in mines or assembly plants either. Living in the USA is a mixed blessing.



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paul

09-24-2004 14:03:24




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 Re: OSHA APPROVED in reply to Ben in KY, 09-24-2004 11:04:18  
Instead they are running the meth labs & chop shops....

Yea, a mixed blessing all around. :)

(I mean this more as ironic humor that anything important...)

Wish there was a happy medium we could stop at.

--->Paul



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MAC,IL

09-24-2004 09:35:56




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 Re: OSHA APPROVED in reply to TheRealRon, 09-24-2004 08:45:41  
Anymore everything has to be "approved"- OSHA, UL, EPA, you name it. But again, sometimes whats OK for one person/firm is taboo for another. Go figure.



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Leland

09-24-2004 20:06:17




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 Re: OSHA APPROVED in reply to MAC,IL, 09-24-2004 09:35:56  
You want to talk OSHA ,EPA just have a job shooting poop you would be shocked at the reams of paper you read.



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