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Cast aluminum?

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JoeK

09-22-2004 17:29:37




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I try to recycle as much as possible,bith my own stuff and some others that won't bother.Curious as to telling cast aluminum from pot metal in some applications.My scrap buyer is REAL fussy on separation(wouldn't take two totally stripped aluminum Briggs blocks today because one had a steel dowel pin and I missed the valve seats on the other.Other dealer sweat smelts his aluminum and don't want no low temp alloys in it.

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JoeK..Thanx

09-24-2004 21:42:31




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 Re: Cast aluminum? in reply to JoeK, 09-22-2004 17:29:37  
Thanx for the input,and I think I'm clearer now on differences.All in all I can't fault these dealers too much as they travel here weekly to buy"clean"scrap for fair price.If I had to "stockpile" and haul 30+mi "to" them it'd be a zero profit thing,other than saving landfill space in my little corner of the world.



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Bob - MI

09-23-2004 12:25:29




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 Re: Cast aluminum? in reply to JoeK, 09-22-2004 17:29:37  
Briggs re-melts their own blocks with a "fry basket" that they dunk into the furnace. The basket has a gridwork that won't let the dowels and cylinder sleeves slip through. if they do, they settle to the bottom of the furnace anyway so it's really no big deal. There's a component of iron in the alloy anyway.

My guess is that what most folks refer to as "pot metal" is probably cast zinc. Zinc has a higher material density than aluminum and will be heavier. It's also soft and you should be able to tell the difference with a file.

So far as your picky metal guy I would look for someone else. At an absolute minimum he should be able to accomodate what is known as "mixed scrap". Domestic casting production is based almost exclusively on recycled materials that are melted and re-formulated into specific chemistries for different alloy combination. This is especially true with die-cast materials with many high volume casters doing re-formulating in their own furnaces from base materials that they buy slightly "off chemistry".

The exceptions here would be aerospace alloys and some high stress commercial materials.

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T_Bone

09-22-2004 22:22:13




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 Re: Cast aluminum? in reply to JoeK, 09-22-2004 17:29:37  
Hi Joe,

Cast AL will look real white.

Pot metal is a dull gray.

Another way is to take a 10X loop and look at a known piece of cast AL aand piece of known pot metal and look at the different grain structures between the two.

T_Bone



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