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Cant hook / Peavey

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Jim W

09-21-2004 04:51:00




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What's the difference? Most years I get a load of 7 bush cords of 8 foot logs to cut up and split for the furnace. One of these tools is in order but they look the same to me. Which one should I get?
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Jim




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TimV

09-21-2004 06:16:10




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 Re: Cant hook / Peavey in reply to Jim W, 09-21-2004 04:51:00  
Jim: A Cant Hook (or Cant Dog as they're also called) has a ring or lip on the end. They're made to move Cants, which is the piece of lumber resulting after you've trimmed one or more sides off from a log to bring it square before cutting boards. A Peavy has a spike on the end, and is used on logs that still have the bark on--the spike can penetrate the bark when pushing, whereas the Cant Dog will just slide. A log lifter is a Cant Dog with an extension pinned to one side--hook the log, roll it up onto the extension, and you can cut blocks off the end without getting your saw in the dirt. Removing the extension allows it to be used as a normal Cant Dog.

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TheRealRon

09-21-2004 05:20:36




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 Re: Cant hook / Peavey in reply to Jim W, 09-21-2004 04:51:00  
Neither. They are made for moving logs.

If you want to lift the logs off the ground so you can safely cut them to length, use a "cant dog". It has a base that sits flat on the ground and a hook you kick into the log. Then, using the handle, you just rotate the log until it overcenters; the log will then be resting on the dogs' handle ready to cut.



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Jim W

09-21-2004 09:49:42




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 Re: Cant hook / Peavey in reply to TheRealRon, 09-21-2004 05:20:36  
When I get the logs they are deposited in a pile and I often need to move them around for better access with the chainsaw, so I guess the answer is peavey - I have no cants to move.
Thanks all,
Jim



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Maine Fordson Operator

09-22-2004 16:45:14




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 Re: Cant hook / Peavey in reply to Jim W, 09-21-2004 09:49:42  
Actually, I"m proud to report that world headquarters for these logging tools is located in my hometown: Eddington, Maine; Peavey Manufacturing Co. specializes in hardwood lumber (including some very fine ash lumber, just in case you"re building a canoe and need to make gunwales or seats) and also makes a wide range of very high-quality logging tools. Check out the web address below, and look under the "History" button to read about the invention of these tools in the mid-1800"s. Click on the "Showroom" button to see a display of their tools, among which are the Peavey, pickaroon, pick-pole, &c., plus super-good rock-maple handles. Not cheap, but will certainly last you if you take care of them. I have my grandfather"s Peavey, & it has helped me make short work of more cords of wood than I can recall...

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TheRealRon

09-21-2004 10:05:14




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 Re: Cant hook / Peavey in reply to Jim W, 09-21-2004 09:49:42  
If they stack your loggers cords then a peavy won't work. You need a "hookeroon" or as us plain folk call them a "pick" or "hook" to move them.

Actually most of us just climb the pile to cut them. Yeah, it takes a little skill but it's by far the fastest way to make firewood from sticks.



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Jim W

09-21-2004 14:37:57




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 Re: Cant hook / Peavey in reply to TheRealRon, 09-21-2004 10:05:14  
I have been climbing the pile for a number of years and the difficulty I have always had with it is when the logs happen to be tightly packed in a given area. I want some air around the tip of the bar of the chainsaw. If I could roll a log around to a new position where part of it was more "exposed", sawing would go that much faster.
Also, sometimes they get crisscrossed and tangled when the guy leaves them there. So I have logs that are either tangled or occasionally too heavy for me to roll around without some leverage.
Why won't a peavey work? And is a hook like a large version of a bale hook for hay? If so I can see where it would be handy but I still would want the leverage. Well with tools there is always the option of getting both...
Jim

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Slowpoke

09-23-2004 02:04:50




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 Re: Cant hook / Peavey in reply to Jim W, 09-21-2004 14:37:57  
Get yourself a cant hook with about a 30" handle. It"s light, easy to use and will roll a 12" log to a new position for cutting. If your trying to yank one log out of a messy pile, get a heavier one with a 48" handle. And keep your feet out of the way. Works for me.



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TimV

09-21-2004 18:40:58




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 Re: Cant hook / Peavey in reply to Jim W, 09-21-2004 14:37:57  
Jim: A Peavey can be used for what you describe--in fact, a Peavy can be used for darn near anything in the woods that needs pushing, pulling, prying or rolling. What Ron is referring to as a "hook" (or variously "hookaroon", "pickaroon" and perhaps other names as well) is basically an axe with a pick (think of it as half a pickaxe, but a bit smaller) instead of an axe head and it"s usually intended for moving 4-foot pulpwood around. We used ours for pulling 4-foot wood that we cut for our sugarbush off from a pile to put into the fire. It"s a bit light for full-length logs. The pulp hook that you"re referring to is also used for pulpwood. Many people use them as baling hooks, but their original use was for hand-loading pulp. Typically one end was stuck in the end or side of the piece and the logger could then pull the piece toward him and throw it on the sled or truck. The link below is from a company in my neck of the woods that sells all sorts of logging equipment--it"s not cheap, but it"s good stuff, and some of it isn"t availible from many places anymore.

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TheRealRon

09-21-2004 15:30:49




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 Re: Cant hook / Peavey in reply to Jim W, 09-21-2004 14:37:57  
A peavey is made for rolling around a single log. They are used in mills for doing so. For a loggers stack, the pick, like you said, will allow you to stab and therefore pick one log out to move where you need it. But more tools are always better than less tools and maybe the peavey will work for you, can't hurt to try.



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snitkawl

09-21-2004 05:27:10




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 Re: Cant hook / Peavey in reply to TheRealRon, 09-21-2004 05:20:36  
Actually, a peavy is made to move logs and a cant hook is for moving cants.



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TheRealRon

09-21-2004 08:29:17




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 Re: Cant hook / Peavey in reply to snitkawl, 09-21-2004 05:27:10  
Cant � "A square-edged timber or a squared log."

From: Oxford English Dictionary, Second Edition



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snitkawl

09-22-2004 04:48:56




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 Re: Cant hook / Peavey in reply to TheRealRon, 09-21-2004 08:29:17  
I knew that.



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