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Craftsman Rachet

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Joe Powles

09-15-2004 14:20:27




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Does anyone know the max torque you can aply to a 3/8 rachet before it breaks. i would like to know specificly a newer craftsman but really any rachet.

I've tried talking to the tool companies themselves but all of them just want to sell me a torque wrench.




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JoeK

09-17-2004 17:29:36




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 Re: Craftsman Rachet in reply to Joe Powles, 09-15-2004 14:20:27  
Just a thought,but Craftsman used to,maybe still does state their tools met Military Specs.Does not mean that much in todays throwaway world,but those standards were from an era when"no limit on price for quality" was the standard,and military bought the best.If you could find the Mil Specs,it would prolly list the figures you want.



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Preacher

09-16-2004 14:59:41




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 Re: Craftsman Rachet in reply to Joe Powles, 09-15-2004 14:20:27  
Is abusing a tool intentionally with the use of "cheaters" and then taking them in for warranty the same as stealing a tool from a fellow worker or from the store? I have worked with fellows who did this although they never bothered my stuff.



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Robert in W. Mi.

09-17-2004 16:51:01




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 Re: Craftsman Rachet in reply to Preacher, 09-16-2004 14:59:41  
At what point does it become abuse????

I could hear the rim creaking on the front of my loader tractor as i loaded logs onto my trailor, so i got my "new" Sears breaker bar out and a socket. I got up on the breaker bar, (but no cheater) and BANG, i broke the BB right where the socket attaches. It twisted off at the stud, it didn't break the ears off where it swivels. Anyway, i took it back to Sears, and waited for the new one to come in the mail.

Mean while, my second "other" new Sears breaker bar took climbing up, and even my bounceing on it, along with my old trusty SK BB getting the same treatment.

A week or so later when the new BB came, i put the socket on it, and climbed up on it. BAM, broke that one too, in the exact same place!! SO, i took that one back to Sears also!

A week after that "another" one comes in the mail. Off to the shop i go to test it! Same socket, same tractor, and my same @$$ up on the BB. This one takes all i give it, EVEN with a cheater. Now, that's what i felt i paid for, and that's what i "expected" to get!!!

Did i abuse them???? I did tell the guy at Sears how i did it, and he didn't bat an eye.

Robert

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Leland

09-16-2004 20:05:49




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 Re: Craftsman Rachet in reply to Preacher, 09-16-2004 14:59:41  
LET YE WITHOUT SIN CAST THE FIRST STONE.



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John Garner

09-16-2004 13:54:40




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 Partial answer from published source in reply to Joe Powles, 09-15-2004 14:20:27  
Joe --

The Powerbuilt Tools website has a brand-comparison page that might answer part of your question.

I'll try to post a link, but if the link doesn't take you can go to www.powerbuilttools.com and then click on the "click here for ratchet test results" that's right under the Hot Rod Magazine logo at the top left corner of the page.

John



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Davis In SC

09-15-2004 20:05:13




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 Re: Craftsman Rachet in reply to Joe Powles, 09-15-2004 14:20:27  
My guess is over 300 Ft/Lbs..... that would require a long cheater bar. Innards will most likely let go long before handle, especially on a coarse -tooth type.....



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BobR

09-15-2004 19:41:06




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 Re: Craftsman Rachet in reply to Joe Powles, 09-15-2004 14:20:27  
They'll take a lot, I've had mine for 15 years,ain't broke it yet.



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Charles (in GA)

09-15-2004 19:24:22




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 Re: Craftsman Rachet in reply to Joe Powles, 09-15-2004 14:20:27  
Sorry, I didn't mean to accuse you of being a lawyer looking for evidence, its just the first thing that came to mind after the discussion on the N board a month or so ago, which almost certainly was a lawyer fishing for information. In any case, I couldn't imagine what use the max torque load info would be to someone.

Actually, I cannot speak for the 3/8 ratchet, but a guy I was working with on Sunday (we are airline mechanics) busted his nearly new 1/2 drive "pear head" Craftsman ratchet. We took it apart and the teeth on both the rathchet pawl and the rotating part were broken. He was not applying any large amount of torque, this is not a particulally long handled ratchet, less than 15 inches, and he said this was the second one in a few weeks.

As I noted, Danaher makes the craftsman tools, they are now licensed to market them thru tool distributors and sources other than Sears (Sears owns the Craftsman name though).

I had alot of people, including the distributors tool salesman who are selling the Craftsman tools at work, state that the quality has gone down since Danaher took over the manufacture of Craftsman.

Danaher owns many tool companies, they have been buying them up and consoldiating the tool lines, so many of the sockets, ratchets, torque wrenches, etc are the same, no matter which of several different names might be on them.

Danaher owns.....

Allen
Armstrong
K-D tools
Matco
Fluke meters
Raytech
Robin Electronic
and a few more I've never heard of.

Charles

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RH

09-16-2004 18:31:32




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 Re: Craftsman Rachet in reply to Charles (in GA), 09-15-2004 19:24:22  
Geesh! A lawyer is not going to look to this site to get free info. In order to be admissable in court you have to establish expertise. The universities are full of engineers looking to provide this information to a court. So give it a rest. You guys are not being sought out for this.



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Adam Paul

09-16-2004 09:09:17




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 Re: Craftsman Rachet in reply to Charles (in GA), 09-15-2004 19:24:22  
Charles, I remember that post on the "N" board, and did not like it a bit either!!!
AP



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PS

09-16-2004 09:11:40




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 Re: Craftsman Rachet in reply to Adam Paul, 09-16-2004 09:09:17  
PS what part of GA are you in? I'm in the McDonough/Stockbridge area... A bunch of us we planning on going to Inman, but now with the weather... Who knows!!!
Adam



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Joe Powles

09-15-2004 18:24:56




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 Re: Craftsman Rachet in reply to Joe Powles, 09-15-2004 14:20:27  
No im not a lawer. just looking for my own personal information. and i know to use the proper tool when taking stuff apart. I was just currious.



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Leland

09-15-2004 18:24:33




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 Re: Craftsman Rachet in reply to Joe Powles, 09-15-2004 14:20:27  
I have used and abused them, only one I broke I was changing springs on trailer and used a 4ft cheater bar on a 3/8 fine tooth rachet. It held up and it is still in box. With the replacment warranty don't worry just use it.



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MarkB_MI

09-15-2004 18:16:22




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 Re: Craftsman Rachet in reply to Joe Powles, 09-15-2004 14:20:27  
It's really difficult to say. If the wrench is in good shape, it would take a pretty stout guy to bust one without a cheater bar. I've used a two foot piece of pipe on my Craftsman 3/8 ratchet many times when I had to break loose something I couldn't use a 1/2 inch drive on. This is an older "fine-tooth" ratchet.

However, if the ratchet is worn out, the teeth can get to where they don't engage properly and can slip under pressure. There's no reason to use a ratchet like this when Sears will replace it for free.

Note that there are many different Craftsman ratchets and some are stronger than others. I think the "coarse-tooth" ratchets are weaker, or at least more prone to wearing out.

If you really want to know the answer to this, why don't you do a test. Clamp your ratchet in a vise, put an eight foot long piece of pipe on it and pull until it breaks. After you pick yourself off the floor, you can take the ratchet back to Sears for a replacement.

Seriously, why do you care?

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Charles (in GA)

09-16-2004 06:25:53




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 Re: Craftsman Rachet in reply to MarkB_MI, 09-15-2004 18:16:22  
"However, if the ratchet is worn out, the teeth can get to where they don"t engage properly and can slip under pressure. There"s no reason to use a ratchet like this when Sears will replace it for free."

No, its got to be BROKE before they will replace it, just worn out doesn"t count.

Charles



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FarmerDave

09-16-2004 11:22:24




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 Re: Craftsman Rachet in reply to Charles (in GA), 09-16-2004 06:25:53  
Sears motto is satisfaction guaranteed. You ain't being nasty enough.



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MAC,IL

09-15-2004 17:27:46




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 Re: Craftsman Rachet in reply to Joe Powles, 09-15-2004 14:20:27  
I dont know...But without a cheater bar I don't think you will break/overtorque them. Tools are like a lot of things you use, use common sense. You dont use a 3/8 drive and cheater bar to remove persay tractor wheel lugs. Least I hope not.



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Gene Davis (Ga.)

09-15-2004 17:14:01




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 Re: Craftsman Rachet in reply to Joe Powles, 09-15-2004 14:20:27  
Not very much.



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Gene Davis (Ga.)

09-15-2004 17:10:02




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 Re: Craftsman Rachet in reply to Joe Powles, 09-15-2004 14:20:27  
Not very much.



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Charles (in GA)

09-15-2004 15:21:12




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 Re: Craftsman Rachet in reply to Joe Powles, 09-15-2004 14:20:27  
For an injury lawsuit?

These are the folks that manufacture the tools for Craftsman.

Link

Try contacting them.

Charles



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TR

09-15-2004 16:05:27




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 Re: Craftsman Rachet in reply to Charles (in GA), 09-15-2004 15:21:12  
Would u happen to be a "personal injury" lawyer trying to make $$$$ of incompetent operation of a piece of equipment????? ????? I smell a lawyer trying to make a quick buck. I could be wrong but my opine of lawyers are on the same level as Key Lay.



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Kenneth Lay

09-17-2004 13:00:47




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 Re: Craftsman Rachet in reply to TR, 09-15-2004 16:05:27  
you mean me ?



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OT-Why you think he's a l

09-15-2004 16:55:18




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 Re: Craftsman Rachet in reply to TR, 09-15-2004 16:05:27  
Lets leave our Presidents buddy out of this, please



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Clinton's buddy

09-16-2004 18:55:00




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 Re: Craftsman Rachet in reply to OT-Why you think he's a l, 09-15-2004 16:55:18  
Yeah Slick Willy is busy recovering from open heart surgery!



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