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What type of protection for old insulation?

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Bryanl

09-10-2004 07:19:40




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I'm gutting an old house and it has that small particle type insulation that was dumped in the wall cavitives years ago. It's not cellouse insulation. Somebody told me it's an asbestos product so I'm concerned what the best way to do this? What type of mask should I wear and what is the best way to remove all of it? It seems that 3M recommends there 2091 P100 filter for asbestos. Any help you can give from your experience is greatly appreciated!

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TheRealRon

09-10-2004 09:36:22




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 Re: What type of protection for old insulation? in reply to Bryanl, 09-10-2004 07:19:40  
Listen to Red Dave. Remediation can be as simple as encapsulation or as difficult (and expensive) as removal by a licensed expert. In some areas you can get into a lot of legal trouble if you release the stuff into the air.

This is not a time to guess. Get an expert to test it.



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Red Dave

09-10-2004 08:07:40




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 Re: What type of protection for old insulation? in reply to Bryanl, 09-10-2004 07:19:40  
Don't guess about asbestos, get an analysis performed. Most labs only charge $20-30 per sample.

And yes, I am a licensed asbestos inspector.

If it is asbestos, you need to deal with it properly (and legally) or you can have a terrible mess on your hands. Improper handling or disposal can leave you liable for HUGE costs later. You could also contaminate the entire house and put the rest of your family at risk.
Asbestos-related ilnesses don't show up for 10 to 40 years later. You may think that you are old enough to not care about 40 years from now, but what about any kids that may be around?

On the other hand, if it isn't asbestos, the handling and disposal are a whole lot easier and cheaper. Analysis can save you a bundle, not to mention the peace of mind.

In my state, a homeowner may legally remove his own asbestos his own home, but must still dispose of it according to the waste laws. Do you know the laws of your state?

Regarding vermiculite, the W.R.Grace mine that produced a lot of the vermiculite used in the U.S. is now closed down because their vermiculite contained asbestos.

DO NOT use the "home asbestos test kits" that are sold in some hardware stores, they are not accurate, just another snake oil.

Get a laboratory analysis from a NVLAP accredited lab.

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T_Bone

09-10-2004 07:35:34




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 Re: What type of protection for old insulation? in reply to Bryanl, 09-10-2004 07:19:40  
Hi Bryan,

My advice is too let the professionals do it.

I worked with a engineer for 5yrs and he went out in the plant to measure some steam piping he was going to modifiy that had a asbestos cover.

He got one flake/stem/fiber in his lung and was dead with-in 2yrs and it wasn't pretty death as he suffered ALOT.

Granted he was probably hyper sensitive to asbestos but that is some nasty stuff.

T_Bone

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Ben in KY

09-10-2004 07:47:44




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 Re: What type of protection for old insulation? in reply to T_Bone, 09-10-2004 07:35:34  
I am not going to disagree that asbestos is dangerous, however I worked with asbestos quite a bit about 25 years ago and am still kicking. I will not however recommend doing it yourself, and am just saying saying that the danger is a bit overhyped.

One thing several years ago I sold a house that inspectors found 1 6" piece of ductwork about 4 feet long with asbestos on it. Cost me over $3,000 to have the professionals remove it!

Now If I find any I just make sure it is very wet so no dust, bag and bury it deep. Wear disposable coveralls, respirator, etc.

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Ben in KY

09-10-2004 07:49:16




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 Re: What type of protection for old insulation? in reply to Ben in KY, 09-10-2004 07:47:44  
One other thing, the insulation might be vermiculite (sp?)



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