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200A service in 100A box

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haines_6of6

09-01-2004 18:43:19




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I am re-wiring the lights in my shop and it looks like I have 200A service in a 100A box. There are only 6-20A circuits and a main breaker (2-100A breakers that are connected together).

I don't plan to add any more circuits.

Do I have a problem??? Is there a diffrence, other then size, between a 100A box and a 200A box??

Also I want to put 6-2.5A lights (15A total) on one (1) 20A circuit, will this be OK??

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Mark - IN.

09-02-2004 16:45:20




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 Re: 200A service in 100A box in reply to haines_6of6, 09-01-2004 18:43:19  
Sure sounds like two single pole 100's to me for 220/230 VAC single phase. As far as wiring goes, 10 amp = 14GA, 20 amp = 12GA, 30 amp = 10GA. Make sure your recepts match as well - if 20 amp breaker, then use 12GA wire and a recept rated at 20 amp as well. Also, can use wiring and recepts that are equal or higher rated than ckt brkr, but never less than.

Here's a funny one: Can go into Menards, Home Depot, or the likes of and buy a Main Breaker/panel rated at 150 amps, but show me service that isn't rated at either 100 amp or 200 amp. What I mean is that there are people around me that will pay extra to buy a 150 amp Main Breaker over a 100 amp and then have Edison only bring in 100 amp service, because won't handle 200 amp, and 150 amp doesn't exist. Wasted money.

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Charles (in GA)

09-02-2004 16:33:53




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 Re: 200A service in 100A box in reply to haines_6of6, 09-01-2004 18:43:19  
"2-100A breakers that are connected together"

This is indeed, 100 amp service, two 100 amp breakers riveted together and gang barred together make up a 100 amp main.

A 200 Amp main would be FOUR 100 amp breakers riveted and gang barred together and the breakers would be strapped together in pairs.

A few panels (Square D for one) use a single huge breaker with two terminals in, and two terminals out and a single handle. My Seimens outside 200 amp disconnect is made this way also.

Charles

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MarkB_MI

09-02-2004 03:12:50




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 Re: 200A service in 100A box in reply to haines_6of6, 09-01-2004 18:43:19  
It sounds like you have 100 amp service. The two 100 amp breakers are actually a single 100 amp, 230V breaker.

You shouldn't have any problems putting your lights on one 20 amp circuit assuming you're using 20 ga. wire and that you've calculated the current properly. On the other hand, if you split them on different circuits, you won't be in the dark when a breaker trips.

If (or rather when) you run out of circuits in your panel, you can add a subpanel.

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TheRealRon

09-02-2004 04:42:37




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 Re: 200A service in 100A box in reply to MarkB_MI, 09-02-2004 03:12:50  
Obviously you did not mean 20 ga wire. 12 ga would be appropriate.



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MarB_MI

09-03-2004 03:47:04




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 Re: 200A service in 100A box in reply to TheRealRon, 09-02-2004 04:42:37  
Ron,

As my (German) grandfather used to say, "you take a Dutchman for what he says, not for what he means"!

Yes, 12 gauge wire for 20 amp service, of course.



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txblu

09-02-2004 06:22:17




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 Re: 200A service in 100A box in reply to TheRealRon, 09-02-2004 04:42:37  
That's what he said, didn't he.

Can't believe that I'm not the only one that says one thing and is thinking another. Oh well, you mind goes first.....

Mark



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paul

09-02-2004 11:05:36




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 Re: 200A service in 100A box in reply to txblu, 09-02-2004 06:22:17  
Doesn"t the mind go last, but you forgot all the other things that went before?

--->Paul



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txblu

09-03-2004 06:20:33




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 Re: 200A service in 100A box in reply to paul, 09-02-2004 11:05:36  
Something like that. Grin



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Gerald J.

09-01-2004 20:38:43




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 Re: 200A service in 100A box in reply to haines_6of6, 09-01-2004 18:43:19  
It can be more than a little pain to squeeze 200 amp service wire through the conduit cutouts in a 100 amp box, and then tougher to stuff the 200 amp wire (especially if its a little long and aluminum such as 4/0) into 100 amp main breaker lugs. The added room of a 200 amp box can be more than just handy for running 200 amp wire.

Gerald J.



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Craig1

09-01-2004 18:55:21




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 Re: 200A service in 100A box in reply to haines_6of6, 09-01-2004 18:43:19  
you can put 200A service to a 100A box as long as the main breaker is 100A or less. 15 amps of lights on a 20A breaker is ok.



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Mattlt

09-02-2004 08:43:33




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 Re: 200A service in 100A box in reply to Craig1, 09-01-2004 18:55:21  
Assuming you're using #12 wire with that 20 amp breaker...

You can use a smaller breaker on larger wire (15 amp breaker on #12 wire) but NOT the other way around (20 amp breaker on #14 wire)


I agree about the 200A service in the 100A box. As long as the breaker is only 100A. The 100A breaker is protecting what's "downstream", the 200A service is "upstream".



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