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weld 20 guage sheet metal

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Tom Smith

08-31-2004 18:23:48




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This is for T-Bone or any other experienced welder. Do you have any suggestions on welding this thin sheet metal (repairing old truck)? Main problem is I only have a 140 amp a-c welder.
Started with a 5/64th 6013 rod at about 50 amps got some good and some very bad results. Have tried to clean the rusted parts very well to attach the new to.

thanks for your advise

Tom (shade tree something )

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Trucker

09-05-2004 20:28:25




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 Re: weld 20 guage sheet metal in reply to Tom Smith, 08-31-2004 18:23:48  
The best way to weld 20 gauge would be with a mig,but depending on where it is,or how bad itis rusted you could weld it with a stick like this,take 7018 1/8 turn it up high and move real fast.I welded exhaust pipe that was thin before like that and it worked good.If its on a body panel its going to warp if you do it that way,but it might work in a place that has a brace behind it if its not a long weld.even bigger rod works better,but you need to practice a few times on some metal the same thicknes because its all in how fast you move the rod.Another way would be to tack about an inch apart all the way around the weld,you just dont want to use any more heat than necessary,dont stay long enough to burn a hole,take your time and let it cool a lot between tacks.Once you tack all the way around,keep doing it until you get it all welded.Its probobly going to warp either way.The least weld you can put on it and stick it together the better off you are.Also alternate the tacks from one side to the other,and while you are waiting for the tacks to cool you could grind on others that you made before.I would practice on something besides the truck first,and see if the results are what you can use or not.

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T_Bone

09-01-2004 10:48:00




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 Re: weld 20 guage sheet metal in reply to Tom Smith, 08-31-2004 18:23:48  
Hi Tom,

I got to agree with both old and Mike. All weld processes have there uses.

Stick on body work would be my last choice as it put down too much weld and too easy to entrap slag. Can it be used? Sure.

If all you have is a AC machine then consider useing Oxy/Acet. This works very well for body work as it stress relieves as you weld. Road and wind viberation alone sets in alot stress in the metal.

Mig is ok but there again it"s very easy to apply too much weld at one time. Using .023 wire will help alot.

Here is a reprint of my thoughts on welding tubing round or square on controling warpage. The sam techniques can be applied to welding sheetmetal.

On thinn wall tubing with a intersecting leg your joint fit up has to be very close. The more joint gap you have the more weld draw you will have.

The thinner the tube is, requires more tacks than thicker wall tubing. Tack About every 1/2" in some cases.

Choice of weld process can also help control warping with Tig having the least amount of warp as it can have the least amount of heat input.

Carbon arc with silicon bronze filler wire also works well. This would be be a good weld process choice where Tig was not available but a DC power source was available. Structualy alittle weaker as silicon bronze is only 30k to 34k psi tensil strength but see below.

Weld technique can also effect weld draw. In essence your only trying to seal weld the joint. Your not looking at getting 100% penetration. With that in mind, with a good fit up, 99% of the welds can be completed without adding any filler rod with using Tig.

Skip welding is also a excellant warpage control technique.

Along with joint prep make sure you clean to "white" metal at least 1/2" on either side of the joint. The cleaner the base metal is preped the faster you can weld thus less heat input to the joint.

Since your work of art is going to be exposed for all to see, I doubt you"ll ever strighten the legs to look like you would put your name and address on them. Time too cut your loss and make new legs and chalk this one up to a learning experience!

T_Bone

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Mike (Wi)

08-31-2004 19:49:55




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 Re: weld 20 guage sheet metal in reply to Tom Smith, 08-31-2004 18:23:48  
I did quite a bit of sheet metal patch work on my 60 Chevy.

MIG would probably work but I didn't have one.

I just used a wire feed with .030 fluxed wire on a cheap Campbell Hausfeld welder. Cleaned up the metal real good and had it clamped tight as a but weld (end to end...no overlap.)

Welder was on the low voltage section.

Made about a thousand spot welds going from one end to the other keeping the metal as cool as possible.

Worked just fine. Good luck to you.

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old

08-31-2004 19:24:54




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 Re: weld 20 guage sheet metal in reply to Tom Smith, 08-31-2004 18:23:48  
You would be better off to use a tourch or mig welder for that. An arc welder just won't do a good job on something that thin. You can use a torch and lead it up as they did years ago before they came out with bond.



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Tom Smith

09-01-2004 17:41:16




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 Re: weld 20 guage sheet metal in reply to old, 08-31-2004 19:24:54  
Thanks for the advise. Wish I had better equipment just have the a-c box. I could put the gas tank back in the cab (68 GMC) and drive to a friends shop a few miles away.

Tom



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old

09-01-2004 20:23:19




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 Re: weld 20 guage sheet metal in reply to Tom Smith, 09-01-2004 17:41:16  
ben there done taht I have 3 69 chevs on the place right now



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