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T_Bone

08-29-2004 03:46:13




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Hi All,

Well I got a new neighbor thats a theif. Thats makes three of them (thievs) plus 4 drug dealers that I"m trying to get rid of so I need to set a trap.

I want to put in some wireless trip remotes, several maybe 4 stations, thats about 300ft from a 115v electrical source. I could run a 115v source if needed and forget the wireless.

My trap is going to be a recorded video camera with sileant trip at my house so I know when there at my shop or getting close to my shop or my house.

I"m thinking that I"m making a huge dent in the drugers profit that retalation is not far away and I want heads up before they get to my house, about 7 aceres total in a 400ft x 800ft rectangle. I fugure I have to hold them off for about 15min before the Sherrif can get here.

I have several dogs roaming loose outside and one inside and so far thats been working. Now it"s fence my property as the new thief called the dog pound and got several of my outside dogs impounded (running loose on my property). No biggie but a $200 fine. So I"m going to install one of those hidden wire dog stoppers, with the dog collar, on my property so the dogs can"t be called off my property.

Na, I ain"t moving as I"ve been here 20yrs and I would just have to start over with the new drugers some where else. So with video tape in hand I figure I can get rid of a few druggers and couple thiefs at the same time.

So what brand to buy? I need some lo lux cameras that record a video good enough for identification of plate numbers and the person at night.

Suggestions?

T_Bone

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MAC,IL

08-30-2004 07:01:38




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 Re: Security Camera Brand in reply to T_Bone, 08-29-2004 03:46:13  
A real shame someone cant come up with the permanent solution for these low life thieves and dopers. Time for the honest citizens in some manner to take the country back . Big problem and we have all seen it, catch these guys, they get a maybe 5 year sentence and in 5 months they are back at it again. Maybe they should colonize the whole bunch when they catch them.



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rtbshef

08-30-2004 04:14:19




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 Re: Security Camera Brand in reply to T_Bone, 08-29-2004 03:46:13  
Thanks for reminding me why I live in Vermont.I use two big Rottweilers and a couple cannons (hand held). Remember you can protect your life or someone elses life with deadly force, but you can't protect your property this way. At least in Vermont. Good Luck T-bone, and keep posting.



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Bill-KCKs

08-30-2004 01:40:01




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 Re: Security Camera Brand in reply to T_Bone, 08-29-2004 03:46:13  
Haven"t tried this yet, but I think I will in the future. This software detects motion and records video to your computer hard drive, with 2 cameras.

Another software package turns the PC into an alarm system. Has support for video triggered alarms, wired sensors, panic buttons. You call in to check on the status of your alarm. Quite sophisticated.

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chvet73

08-29-2004 19:40:03




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 Re: Security Camera Brand in reply to T_Bone, 08-29-2004 03:46:13  
Hey T-Bone,
I have a system from www.palmvid.com. It does all the things you are looking for. Check them out. They have all sorts of options. I started with the X-10 sysytem. It was not as nice. It will not go thru stucco walls. My palmvid system is hardwired and uses a conventional TV and VCR which are cheaper than the commerical models. It also has infared vison for night. I have the B/W but they have color too. I had it for a few years and its held up well. Their prices are very competetive .
Hope you catch them.

Mark

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Hound

08-29-2004 19:35:14




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 Re: Security Camera Brand in reply to T_Bone, 08-29-2004 03:46:13  
Hi T-Bone,

...maybe try x-10.com. lots of options, they can also mix and match their package deals.

Hound



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T_Bone

08-30-2004 20:51:37




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 Re: Security Camera Brand in reply to Hound, 08-29-2004 19:35:14  
Hi Hound,

Thanks, I"m look at there website now. Interesting!

T_Bone



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PaGlenn

08-29-2004 16:42:42




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 Re: Security Camera Brand in reply to T_Bone, 08-29-2004 03:46:13  
I have a system called Sensaphone at my farmhouse
for when I am not there. It has a motiondetector
and also a sound detector,that when tripped calls
me on my cellphone or housephone. I can then call
the farm and listen in (micophone in unit) for up
to 2 min. If I hear voices, I call the local state
police (6miles from house) to check it out. No video is included in this system, but it gives you
some piece of mind, when your not there. Easy install. No monthly monitoring fee. The system"s other bells/whistles also call you when the temp goes out of the set range. Also triggers when the
power fails. You can call the sytem from anywhere
to listen in, or get a temp check. There is also a
sensor for water flooding. Done rambling.

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msb

08-29-2004 12:03:09




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 Re: Security Camera Brand in reply to T_Bone, 08-29-2004 03:46:13  
Hey T Bone, Been shopping for a camera for a different reason.Am going to mount them on the grain cart to help unloading into the semi and such.Anyway, in my shopping I see there is a motion detector built into some of the cameras.And 300ft. is about the max for using cordless cameras,but the good news is they are adaptable to battery operation.This would give you portability so you could be constantly moving their location.A big plus in your situation,I would think.I bought a GE at Lowes yesterday for $179 with a 5 inch monitor and one cordless camera.If you can use a corded system they have them for $99.Menards are closing out their Zenith equipment real cheap here .You might want to check with them if you have a Menards close by.They have one cordless camera FOR $24.99 That will hook right up to your tv/vcr. They are simple ,easy and quick to hook up.

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Chris Brown

08-29-2004 07:46:24




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 Re: Security Camera Brand in reply to T_Bone, 08-29-2004 03:46:13  
Heres what I did,probably a little illegal,but it worked. I have a neighbor whos kids have been stealing tools and gas from my tractors and tool shed.,( they ride 4 wheelers all hours of the nite all summer)First I moved all my guns from the house to my inlaws house just in case I got searched by the police, This way I could honestly say I don"t even have a gun,how could I do that..
Then I went out to the barn about 3 am saturday nite(that"s when they come by) I lit off 5, M80 fire crackers one at a time , in a pipe pointed toward the neighbors fathers house 1/2 mile away,so he could hear them real good. Then I waited a few minutes and went over there and woke them all up and asked to see his boys, I told him I had shot bird shot at a a couple boys (that resembled his) as they were running away with a gas can ,and that they had ran off toward his house. I think he should check his boys for bird shot in their backs,He did and I got a butt chewing for allegedly shooting at his fine young sons. They have never been back,that was almost a year ago. I never had any reprocussions from this incident ,but I left all my guns at my inlaws for a few months anyway,just to be safe. All my neighbors think I am crazy now,but I don"t care as long as they stay away when they arent supposed to be here. Probably not what you should do,but it worked for me.

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Larry806

08-29-2004 20:25:13




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 Re: Security Camera Brand in reply to Chris Brown, 08-29-2004 07:46:24  
Chris You do something that STUPID and have the guts to call me a idiot ?? I've ask you twice to explain your self Now I see why you haven't



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Chris Brown

09-01-2004 05:20:41




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 Re: Security Camera Brand in reply to Larry806, 08-29-2004 20:25:13  
Larry806, I don"t seem to remember calling you an idiot. And where did you ask me to explain anything twice? Not here.



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Hey T-bone..John,PA

08-29-2004 06:32:09




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 Re: Security Camera Brand in reply to T_Bone, 08-29-2004 03:46:13  
Here in PA, state law mandates that if you have a security system of any kind, you MUST put-up a sign that states "THIS PROPERTY IS BEING PROTECTED BY A SECURITY SYSTEM". (GRIN) I'll bet the ADT Security Company might just GIVE ya a free one.

I got caught on the ADT tape for chatting with a friend who was hard of hearing. Next thing I know, a policeman was at my door. I am now a listed as a "threat" to the NATIONAL GOVERNMENT.
REALLY! HOPE THIS HELPS. John,PA

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T_Bone

08-29-2004 08:33:50




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 Re: Security Camera Brand in reply to Hey T-bone..John,PA, 08-29-2004 06:32:09  
Hi John,

Here in Arizona we can video tape and tape record voice without signs AS long as your on your own property.

You can also point a camera at another house as long as you don"t publicly distribute the video or use it to pear into the house.

T_Bone



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Check these out

08-29-2004 06:24:46




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 Re: Security Camera Brand in reply to T_Bone, 08-29-2004 03:46:13  
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VaTom

08-29-2004 05:09:32




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 Re: Security Camera Brand in reply to T_Bone, 08-29-2004 03:46:13  
I'll ask our county police dept what brand theirs are. They have some that look like rocks and take pictures, tripped by infrared I guess. Mostly take a lot of deer pictures.

They offered me use of one after I had 2 attempts on consecutive nights on my remote shop. Didn't take them up on it. Instead I put in a no-false-alarm vehicle sensor. We're a little more remote than you. Then, with the self-closing gate on the one road up this mountain, we let the neighborhood know we were wired. Pedestrians we don't experience.

Problem solved to date. Oh, gotta be known to be armed, but that shouldn't be any problem for you. You don't think a little backyard target practice with one of your cannons would suffice?

First step, of course, is to wire your shop so you know about an attempt, unless you want to rely on your dogs. Let me know if you need help there. Hardware's inexpensive. Mine transmits a signal 750' to the house. Backup system's also in place. Don't go to Radio Shack or Surplus Center.

Had an alarm business in another life. We found that the trick is to get the perp to go elsewhere by being too difficult, not worth the effort. Anyplace can get broken into, but we aren't talking about overly energetic people. If you're more difficult, they'll go elsewhere. Getting them removed, other than Ron's method (which our county police unofficially approve), didn't realistically work.

My problem also was partly revenge. I followed the oil drips to the trailer. Good luck.

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T_Bone

08-29-2004 08:28:55




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 Re: Security Camera Brand in reply to VaTom, 08-29-2004 05:09:32  
Hi Tom,

I"m already known to shoot first ask questions latter by the entire neighborhood. How I got that named I"ll never know other than if a strange vechile goes by I will follow it for aways and of course my six freinds are always with me.

I haven"t had to big of a problem until I started getting on the drug dealers. I made them move a 1ton van worth of drugs a few months back. They also lost there stolen Chevy Blazer they were using.

Now they getting more sneaky and using another road that I can"t see too well. They changed to using the mail box out front of my place but quickly changed there mind. Too bad as that was Federal.

So yes give me your brand name that works well. 750ft would do well for me as my shop is only 200ft from the house.

Good idea about checking with the local mounty.

T_Bone

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VaTom

08-29-2004 11:28:22




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 Re: Security Camera Brand in reply to T_Bone, 08-29-2004 08:28:55  
Hi T_Bone,

As somebody else pointed out, your low-life neighbors thinking you're nuts is a good thing. I knew we had something in common. LOL

The driveway sensor is Cartel. Sensor is buried in the road, or next to it. Wire is buried to the processor. You buy the sensor with appropriate wire length, no splicing. Multiple sensors possible. Dedicated ground rod required for the processor. When I first set it up, my steeltoed boots set it off. Senses steel moving, something to do with the earth's magnetic field, I think. Anyhow, very adjustable. No false alarms, even with lightning. Last thing I needed was a 3am trip down to the shop for nothing.

I use X-10 transmitter/receiver through the elec. line to transmit to the house. Turns on a radio in our case. Transmitters are somewhat lightning surge sensitive. I keep a spare, X-10 PF 284 or (newer) PSC01. Cartel people told me to use X-10 even though they had radio transmitters.

Backup system is a sound-actuated intercom, also going through the elec. line to another unit in the house. It'll hear rodents rustling or anybody breaking in. Also the alarm siren, which we'd never hear in our concrete underground house.

I get Cartels from an alarm wholesaler. Around $160 with processor, IIRC. X-10's on Ebay, but Radio Shack sometimes carries them. AT&T 728A sound-actuated intercoms work great, also Ebay. If you want me to get you a Cartel, or an alarm system for that matter, give me a call. Same folks have a LOT of cameras, but it's been too many years since I've installed to have any brand recommendations, other than to stay away from Sharper Image type systems.

Been going for a few years now. And I sleep just fine.

Those guys all Mexican? Some of my old CGUHS friends made a fantastic living in the business- back in the 70's. Pretty sure they were retired, but...

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T_Bone

08-30-2004 20:45:01




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 Re: Security Camera Brand in reply to VaTom, 08-29-2004 11:28:22  
Hi Tom,

Na there white guys mostly. My cousin is a Federal Marshal and I was talking with him a few years back and he asked where I was living. Told him the county and he heard about how corupt the sheriff dept was and he"s in NJ....LMAO

Thanks for the offer but I"m going to use the X-10 stuff as it"s reasonable and will do what I need.

T_Bone



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KURT (mi)

08-29-2004 05:02:47




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 Re: Security Camera Brand in reply to T_Bone, 08-29-2004 03:46:13  
I dont anything about security cameras, but I have a recomendation. 1. dogs with big teeth are good, but find out if you can shoot somebody on your property who is committing a felony. 2. yes get video of the crime. 3. Make sure young children are not outside of your house, grandchildren etc. 4. what have the cops told you to do. Because it would be good to have a record of what is going on B4 you do something, like shoot one them. Did these guys plant weed on your property and you ripped it up? 5. Live electrical fence might help too, as soon as the guys start crossing over onto your property they get jolted with a 120 volts, of course they could cut the line too. I highly recommend calling the Police.

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T_Bone

08-29-2004 08:53:06




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 Re: Security Camera Brand in reply to KURT (mi), 08-29-2004 05:02:47  
Hi Kurt,

Arizona is a right to protect State. That means if anyone anywhere is doing harm to another person you have the right to protect that person. Doesn"t have to be on your own property!

No the druggers bring in the drugs from Mexico. Were about 150miles North of the border. We also get a few low flying air craft, about 100ft off the deck, about twice a year.

Our neighbors across the road split up 640 acres. They got the money to do so buy selling drugs. They got caught and the new neighbor got a "free" deed to alot of there propertys that were broke up for small acreage sales. He found a loop-hole in the law that let him keep most of the property. He hit on hard times about 8yrs ago and went into the drug business himself.

Trouble is alot of his property sales are to other drugers on a quit claim deed. That way when they get caught selling/using drugs he gets the property back to resale to another new drugger.

So far he"s been low keyed about his business but lately he"s dealing huge quanitys as twice a year the same vechiles show up for about 2 weeks. Then the local small dealers sell at night, usually Friday and Saturday then stop during the week.

The problem is now he"s selling too much property and it"s getting out of hand. Local Sherrif doesn"t have the funds to dedicate patrols to this area.

T_Bone

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KURT (mi)

08-29-2004 16:28:08




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 Re: Security Camera Brand in reply to T_Bone, 08-29-2004 08:53:06  
Hmm, I see, I didnt know that you were in Arizona. I see your problem clearer now, yes Shoot em, then call the cops.



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TheRealRon

08-29-2004 04:24:59




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 Re: Security Camera Brand in reply to T_Bone, 08-29-2004 03:46:13  
You need a 3" slug gun and a box of Remington Sluggers.



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