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CEB

08-25-2004 11:46:50




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I know this is the tool talk forum and not the applicance talk forum, but here goes anyway.

We bought a new refrigerator about 5 years ago. It is a Fridgidaire brand. Besides being a total cheap piece of plastic c**P(all the plastic shelves crack when you put too much weight on them(like a gallon a milk), it leaks water. The inside bottom is always full of water and it will overflow and run on to the floor. I was told that it must have a plugged drain, I was also told that it might be a bad evaporator, I was also told there should be a pan under the fridge that catches water. I don't see any pan and there's no way we could have lost any pan since its never been moved since new.
Any refrigerator repairmen out there with any helpful advice? If I thought it would do any good, I would sue Best Buy Corp. for selling me this piece of c**p.

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If i REMEMBER....John,PA

08-26-2004 19:19:36




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 Re: Refrigerator problem in reply to CEB, 08-25-2004 11:46:50  
Your refrigerator probably has a drain that is attached to the plastic "pan" under the freezer compartment. Some times the fan pulls a small piece of plastic or styrofoam that can be associated with the freezer compt. This Foreign Object can clogg-up the drain line and the water that comes off the freezer compartment upon auto defrost will run into the "PC" (refrigerator compartment".

If you locate the plastic pipe that is running into the condensate pan underneath the cabinet into the plastic pan that is probably located on the top of the compressor, well, sometimes you can blow the obstruction out. If you notice that there is NO water in the pan, most likely there is an obstruction in the condensate pipe.
Hope this helps. BY the way, most household "white-goods" refrigerators, stoves, etc, are owned by the WHITE CONSOLIDATED INDUSTRIES. That's wright, WHITE TRUCKS, INC.

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Leland

08-26-2004 14:17:47




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 Re: Refrigerator problem in reply to CEB, 08-25-2004 11:46:50  
Check out sears they have stores full of scratch n dent fridges and other kitchen stuff there may be a store close to you



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tlak

08-26-2004 04:53:07




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 Re: Refrigerator problem in reply to CEB, 08-25-2004 11:46:50  
The solution seems simple. Even if you fix it you still hate it. Buy another one. I saw a scratch and dent side by side at lowes for $600.



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BrokenFences

08-26-2004 04:48:49




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 Re: Refrigerator problem in reply to CEB, 08-25-2004 11:46:50  
We have a new Jenn-Aire side by side, less than a year old. Was leaking water everywhere, repair man came, replaced bottom door hinge. It has a closure cam that wasn't allowing the door to close properly. He told me the door system can't handle the weight of gallon jugs in the door. Of course thats the reason I wanted a new fridge, but so far it's working fine. Anyone know how the "stainless steel" panels on it could be showing rust? I bought it new at the builders auction, so I can't complain too much since it was less than half price.

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T_Bone

08-26-2004 06:17:05




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 Re: Refrigerator problem in reply to BrokenFences, 08-26-2004 04:48:49  
Hi BF,

The 400 series SS will rust from the alloy mix or the 300 series will if cleaned with something containing iron, SOS pad ?, steel wool?, etc;

Jenn-Aire = Maytag"s cheap line.

T_Bone



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BrokenFences

08-26-2004 11:20:43




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 Re: Refrigerator problem in reply to T_Bone, 08-26-2004 06:17:05  
Model JSD2789? It seems to be showing small spots of rust all over the panels, only noticeable up close



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txblu

08-26-2004 06:06:17




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 Re: Refrigerator problem in reply to BrokenFences, 08-26-2004 04:48:49  
Different grades of stainless. The stainless function comes from Nickle. There could be some Iron left in the mix. Look at some outboard motor propellers. They have little rust pits in them, and some don"t. I think 303 stainless is pretty clean.

Mark



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R Bedell

08-26-2004 04:41:53




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 Re: Refrigerator problem in reply to CEB, 08-25-2004 11:46:50  
Having repaired domestic regrigeration for 35 yrs, I am kinda chuckling here.

IF you have water under the crispers, it is most likely you are making the water (rain) inside your refrigerator by having a poor door seal. When you mix cold and hot air, you get mositure. This also is assuming, that you have no Ice Maker or Water in the Door features that would be leaking.

This model of refrigerator (I am assuming based upon age) has a condensate pan but it is affixed to the top of the compressor. When the compressor runs, it creates heat and thus heats the pan, and the water collected in theory is suppose to evaporate.

You could also have a plugged drain in the evaporator area but I kinda doubt it. Usually there is a icy mess when that happens.

If you were to give a Model Number, I could be more precise in helping you out.

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TheRealRon

08-26-2004 06:49:20




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 Re: Refrigerator problem in reply to R Bedell, 08-26-2004 04:41:53  
You may 35 years experience but you blew this one. All R/Fs have a defrost cycle. The resulting water drains as you said. If water flows out on the floor, the drain system is being overwhelmed by too much humidity; that could be as simple as too much opening of the door, lots of humidity in the house, or a poor door seal, as you suggested. But if water accumulates in the bottom of the cabinet, it's a blocked drain. Very common and easily fixed with a turkey baster, baking soda, and warm water.

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John *.?-!.* cub owner

08-25-2004 14:15:42




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 Re: Refrigerator problem in reply to CEB, 08-25-2004 11:46:50  
It's been many years, but I used to be an appliance man in another life. I assume your frigidare is a top freezer. You need to unload your freezer compartment, and remove the panel in the back, and maybe the one in the bottom. There is a defrost heater in the back that every so often (varies with make and model) kicks in and melts the frost off the coils behind the cover. Below the coils is a trough that funnels all the water into a tube that goes through the back and down to the evaproator pan, which on your refrigerator I think will actually be on top of the compressor. This tube is more than likely plugged up, probably at the top. Some models also had a heater that deiced this drain which may have failed.

P.S. i just replaced my 10 year old failing Frigidare with a Whirlpool, wish I had done it much sooner. One other thing to remember, There is a big difference in quality of different models in any brand.

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CEB

08-26-2004 06:13:41




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 Re: Refrigerator problem in reply to John *.?-!.* cub owner, 08-25-2004 14:15:42  
John,

You sound like you know what you're talking about. Everything you said sound's like that tube is the problem.
Now I know what I will be doing this weekend.

Thanks very much for the advice!



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TheRealRon

08-25-2004 14:27:49




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 Re: Refrigerator problem in reply to John *.?-!.* cub owner, 08-25-2004 14:15:42  
You can force warm water with baking soda in it using a turkey baster to unclog the drain.



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T_Bone

08-25-2004 12:40:27




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 Re: Refrigerator problem in reply to CEB, 08-25-2004 11:46:50  
Hi CEB,

Several thing to check. Most refers don"t use a inside drain anymore. They rely on a non-condensing temperature inside the cabinet. In layman terms that means the water collects in the crisper drawer...lol

1) make sure no hot food is being put in the refrige before it cools.

2) Check to see that the refrigerator side air control is set high engough. Takes 48hrs to correct a humidity problem between dial changes.

3) make sure the inside lite shuts off when the door closes. Lite should go off before door completely shuts. Manualy Try door lite swicth.

4) Check to be sure the door gasket seals. Put a sheet of white notebook paper on the door surface, shut the door, then see if there"s resistance to pulling the paper out. If there"s resistance then seal is working, no resistance then you have a leak in the seal. Adjust door and/or replace magnetic seal.

5) Air passage is blocked from the freezer compartment. The Theremostat controls the compressor from the freezer side. The refrigerator cold control is a air damper from the freezer. This usally means ice has built up on the evaporator. If a ice covered evaporator then most likely the defrost control is not working or the freezer fan has stoped or running slow or the deforst element has burned out. Freezer temps should also be high. If evaporator iced solid the defrost with a hair dryer.

6) a refer problem. Condensor coil clean? Condensor fan (if present) running?

If none of the above, call a repairman for a "estimate" then price out a new unit but NEVER buy a Fridgaire/Westinghouse.

Maytag, GE, Whirlpool in that order and no other brands. Same with all major appliances. Why? Parts are cheaper or easy to get after market parts and parts always in stock.

T_Bone

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txblu

08-25-2004 13:20:39




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 Re: Refrigerator problem in reply to T_Bone, 08-25-2004 12:40:27  
Gotta whack you on one of your comments, my man.

The Frigidaire is superior in my mind over GE. Without regard for anything else, the evaporator is mounted vertically on the rear of the box, has a large surface area (about as big as the box) and uses natural convection to extract the heat. It is up off the floor and requires no fan; the heat off it goes up into the room. The light bill is $10 per month noticably cheaper. The evaporator tray is also up off the floor, and is located on top of the compressor where compressor heat can aid in the evaporation process. Compressor is so quiet you can barely hear it run and it seldom runs.

The GE has the (small) condenser crammed beneath it with the evaporator. All the "radiated" heat off it goes up to the bottom of the ref which has to ship that heat out eventually. It has a pull off exctucheon on the front to access (very limited) the condenser coil; which, since it sits 2" off the floor, is constantly clogging with lint; is most difficult to remove the lint and the motor gives out, probably due to the heat and lint. Air access is limited and as a result the compressor runs nearly constantly. It is noisy also.

Sears Washer it the best in my book; has been for as long as I can remember. They just run and run and run and aren"t Maytag expensive, self cleaning filters and all. Been Married 42 years and had 3 Sears washers in that time. Nothing else and the latest one is over 10 yrs old, looks and runs like new.

Had GE dishwashers for years. Not now. Have a Frigidaire. Bought a dishwasher ($199 Frig.@ Lowe"s) for the oldest son. Helped him install and check it out. Couldn"t believe how quiet is was, how well it washed and the ease of loading dishes and silverware.

Went to Lowes and bought me one. Worst I had was Whirlpool; door seal problem.

GE room Air conditioners are OK. Their spine fin is very efficient and no joints to fracture and leak.

I have a 30" GE gas range that I like. Their small appliances have worked well for us.

Don"t like their TV"s.

Dat"s de history of my appliances.

Mark

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T_Bone

08-26-2004 06:38:56




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 Re: Refrigerator problem in reply to txblu, 08-25-2004 13:20:39  
Hi Mark,

Try taking some steel wool and put inside the drain tube. Some times this will help keep the lint out with-out creating a plug up.

Sears = Whirpool or did, I really don"t know if they still make 100% Sears or not.

The problem with Frigidaire is they don"t sell the quanity of appliances that GE, Maytag or Whilpool does and there"s virtualy no after market parts available. The factory only carry"s parts for a few years so if something breaks that only Frigidaire made then you got to buy a new appliance. Frigidaire parts were almost twice as expensive than other OEM parts.

T_Bone

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txblu

08-27-2004 06:01:21




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 Re: Refrigerator problem in reply to T_Bone, 08-26-2004 06:38:56  
The lint problem is on the condenser coil. It collects on there and the fan blades, and keeps the fan blown air from blowing across the coil. Didn"t have a drip problem per se. Just commented about the engineering behind the fact that one brand (Frigidaire) put it in a sensible place; on top of the compressor.

On parts, since Home Depot and Lowe"s started handling appliances, the prices are really great and if you have any problems, they stick behind their stuff. Sorry for the mom and pop shops, but these monster businesses have the where-with-all to service their customers and happy customers come back. So they are successful. Get my money.

Enjoyed the chat.

Mark

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Rauville

08-25-2004 18:17:13




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 Re: 70 year old GE Refrigerator photo! in reply to txblu, 08-25-2004 13:20:39  
third party image

Here's an old GE Refrigerator that I've used in my shop for the past 20 years. This one still carries it original charge of Sulphur Dioxide refrigerant, and works fine. Last year, after seeing an identical one sell on eBay for $800+, I thought about trying to sell this one, and took these photos...but didn't have the heart, and put her back in the shop to live out her life.

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Mike M

08-26-2004 10:39:47




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 Re: 70 year old GE Refrigerator photo! in reply to Rauville, 08-25-2004 18:17:13  
That's why they don't make em like that anymore. They would go out of business cause one would last a life time---or more.



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txblu

08-26-2004 06:02:38




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 Re: 70 year old GE Refrigerator photo! in reply to Rauville, 08-25-2004 18:17:13  
Thought for a minute is was ammonia like the old Servel"s.

Nice. Let er die in piece...good idea.
Mark



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DaveCA

08-26-2004 04:14:03




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 Re: 70 year old GE Refrigerator photo! in reply to Rauville, 08-25-2004 18:17:13  
WOW! That's not a fridge. That's a work of art!



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T_Bone

08-26-2004 06:50:20




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 Re: 70 year old GE Refrigerator photo! in reply to DaveCA, 08-26-2004 04:14:03  
Wow Rauville, great looking snag. Where did you find that great piece?

If you ever get a refrigerant leak, you"ll atleast know about as sulfur dioxide stinks really bad.

T_Bone



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txblu

08-27-2004 06:02:59




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 Re: 70 year old GE Refrigerator photo! in reply to T_Bone, 08-26-2004 06:50:20  
Is that the "rotten egg" gas we played with in high school chemistry class?

Mark



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Rauville

08-26-2004 08:33:44




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 Re: You gotta look under every rock T_Bone! in reply to T_Bone, 08-26-2004 06:50:20  
You know old antique dealers...they are always snooping around for something. In fact yesterday, while buying some stuff from a nice lady, looked up on the basement wall, and there was a Winchester Model 1876 rifle! Made a fair offer...have to wait and see.
As far as smelling So2; with our old laying hens, I probably couldn't the differance between that and a pile of rotten eggs!



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Kendall

08-25-2004 12:26:10




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 Re: Refrigerator problem in reply to CEB, 08-25-2004 11:46:50  
When a frost free fridge goes through it defrost cycle, the water drains into a pan under the fridge. It evaporates over time. There should be some kind of pan under there somewhere. Know what you mean by cheap. Went fridge shopping a few years ago and discovered the difference between cheap and expensive was not the compressor or features you would think, but quality of construction of the INSIDE. Bought the more expensive one and its still going after 12 years and no broken shelves or parts.

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