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RJC

08-20-2004 19:56:28

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Can get all the used oil I need. Anyone have any experience with used oil heaters for the shop? Any favorite brands. Either this or a corn stove.

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GMorrison

08-23-2004 19:00:17

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Re: used oil heater in reply to RJC, 08-20-2004 19:56:28

Skipping over all the name calling atc, etc, etc...

Waste oil heaters are a good alternative provided you understand that they are NOT the same as standard heaters. They are more maintainance intensive - you can skip a year or two on your regular heater with no problem, but don't try it on a waste oil heater. I have dealt with 3 different heaters of 3 different ages and I can tell you the newer units are worlds better. They require "cleaner" oil, and use external air injection along with pre-heating the oil feed to help create hotter, more complete combustion.
Unfortunately there is a trend that may spell the end for inexpensive waste heating units - synthetic oils. Even the newest unit I dealt with had a hard time coping with waste oil with a high concentration of synthetic oils. Cutting the waste oil with heating oil helped quite a bit (not a bad plan in any case), but that shop eventually decided they needed a more dependable heating system and installed a standard unit.

Gregg

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KJM

08-21-2004 20:14:53

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Re: used oil heater in reply to RJC, 08-20-2004 19:56:28

RJC,Used oil(waste oil is a haz-mat)heaters work well but they do need service and the heat rise is a little low,it takes awhile to warm things up. The Kleen Burn we had was a pain to keep adjusted but it was 10years old,we replaced with a Reznor it worked very well it has it`s own air compressor and oil heater,worked great for the first year,after that it needed $200.00 to $300.00 worth of parts every year to keep it running it is 5yr old. FYI a local machine shop put in 5 heaters and the EPA had a fit because they were picking up oil outside of their shop and trucking it in. They had to take them out. Would I buy one, yes, are they a pain yes!(I was a shop manager for 10yr)

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John R.-IL

08-21-2004 10:36:58

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Re: used oil heater in reply to RJC, 08-20-2004 19:56:28

Been heating with used oil for years. Started with a homemade unit, but had to moniter it all the time. Could not leave it running if I wasn"t there. Bought a new waste oil furnace three years ago and could not be happier. It is a Lanair brand out of Janesville, Wisconsin. It takes a litle maintenance every month but is no big deal. It has saved me over $350.00 per month during the heating season. The filter on it is a steel mesh so all you have to do is clean it in the solvent tank and put it back together. I let it run 24/7 and always have a warm shop in the morning. I feed my used oil from an overhead tank and use gravity to fill the storage tank that came with the heater. I filter it through a screen and water seperator before it gets into the heater tank and then the heater has a filter on it. Very trouble free and worth every penny.

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big jt

08-21-2004 08:14:41

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Re: used oil heater in reply to RJC, 08-20-2004 19:56:28

I have seen shops in my area use them. I was going to put one in my shop when I built 10 years ago.

Got to looking at other installations. They do require maintenance usually monthly so I wouldn't give up on another source at least for backup while doing maintance.

The other problem is the mess. I have yet to see a installation that doesn't take a lot of floor space for tanks etc and it is usually covered with oil and oil dry.

Also keep in mind that handling the oil is a fair job and you will need separate pumps to do this.

JM2CW

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Rauville

08-21-2004 04:57:41

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Re: used oil heater in reply to RJC, 08-20-2004 19:56:28

A little off the subject, but I can remember close to 50 years, standing around in the shop of the local John Deere dealer, and being amazed at their home-made used oil heater.
Just a simple stacked barrel stove with a oil injector made from a pump type oiler. A small electric motor was geared to a cam that operated the "pump trigger" on the oiler about once every 15 seconds.
So, the idea of reusing a waste product has been around a long time. At that time most used oil was just spread on the gravel streets and driveways!

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TheRealRon

08-21-2004 04:36:13

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Re: used oil heater in reply to RJC, 08-20-2004 19:56:28

Ignore T-bone, he's guessing again and passing on bad info.

All commercial waste oil heaters use a filter, usually a standard automotive filer, to filter the waste oil. It is discarded like any other automotive filter. There are no "wasted" chemicals in waste oil.

Maintenance could not be more simple. All the heaters are designed to be self-servicable. Shop around, look at an installation a local business or neighbor has, and ask questions. The really good heaters are pricey but if you have a good supply of oil you can make a lot of cheap heat.

Hint: if you can supply your own oil, great. If not, run an ad in the local paper asking for oil. Most people hate having to store drain oil until it can be recycled. They will happily give it to you. You'll have all the "free" heat you can stand.

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DH in Carolina

08-21-2004 06:35:17

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Re: used oil heater in reply to TheRealRon, 08-21-2004 04:36:13

You better listen to T_Bone as the Real Ron is full of it. I have worked on waste oil heaters for about fifteen years and they are a lot of problems. First if you have any antifreeze, water, or any thing else in the oil it will not burn. If you have enough oil from your shop and you know what is in it you may be ok. These heaters require a lot of maintenance and the parts are not cheap. You can do your own work but it is not easy or clean. You have to pre heat the oil before it will burn so you have to leave power on the heater all the time. This pre heater will clog up with carbon and other caked on sludge which you will have to clean often. Waste oil becomes a hazardous waste if you transport it from another site to yours. The ashe left over from burning waste oil contains heavy metals and other hazardous materials that you don"t need to dump around your place. After you pay for the equipment, maintenance,and the trouble you go through youwould probably be better off to use a differant heat source. Also some waste oil heaters do not have an air compressor and you have to run a air line to the heater. Danny Hearl

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ihjdmike

08-21-2004 07:29:43

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Re: used oil heater in reply to DH in Carolina, 08-21-2004 06:35:17

You must have been around older heaters. They did require a lot of maintence. The new ones don"t, they are relativly trouble free. Waste oil is not haz-mat. I used to haul it for a recycling company. You can transport all you want. Waste anti-freeze is if it is over 1000 gal.

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TheRealRon

08-21-2004 06:55:00

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Re: used oil heater in reply to DH in Carolina, 08-21-2004 06:35:17

How sad. You put water and coolant in your waste oil heater and then you wonder why it needs maintenance? Read the book that comes with the heater. Like anything else, if you follow instructions, you have a happy experience.

While you might dump your ash on the ground, those of us who know what we are doing dispose of it according to the mandatory recycling laws we have here. It's even free!

Your point about "hazardous waste" is funny. People bring you oil or you supply your own. You transport nothing.

Nearly every auto/truck/tractor shop uses waste oil heaters up here. I know several of the owners. They would not trade them for any other heat source. After all, waste oil is FREE!

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DH in Carolina

08-21-2004 14:16:47

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Re: used oil heater in reply to TheRealRon, 08-21-2004 06:55:00

The Real Ron ha! You picked the wrong name. Should have been The Real A##hole. I have read a lot of your posts and you think you know more than anyone else, No one has as good equipment as you. No matter what someone else trys to do you can do better. I am just a dumb a## country boy without a college degree, but I hold a NC state electrical license, NC state HVAC license Class 1, a NC state refrigeration license, a universal cfc certfication, a CDL drivers license with Hasmat certification,air brakes and double,triple trailer. Also I went across the pond on my senior trip Danny Hearl.

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whoa big fella.

08-21-2004 17:51:13

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Re: used oil heater in reply to DH in Carolina, 08-21-2004 14:16:47

We are supposed to be cordial and polite, or maybe your mama didnt teach you these traits.

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Earl in AZ

08-21-2004 15:48:23

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Re: used oil heater in reply to DH in Carolina, 08-21-2004 14:16:47

Gents,Gents,Gents,
There are some people in this world that cannot disagree without being disagreeable. Ignore it and maybe it will go away.

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Dwayne W PA

08-21-2004 06:29:09

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Re: used oil heater in reply to TheRealRon, 08-21-2004 04:36:13

"Ignore T-bone,he's guessing again and passing on bad info."..... Ya know,i'm not sure why you got such a chip on your shoulder.Would it be too difficult for you to maybe say "I don't quite agree with T-bone"...or "I seem to disagree with T-bone"...or "I have a different opinion than T-bone"... or just give your own dang opinion without slammin someone in the process?I don't post here much but I've got ton's of info and knowledge from alot of folks here...including YOU!...this ofcourse is just my opinion,but it would make fer much better reading if you just knocked that chip of your shoulder.

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Zane (WA)

08-21-2004 16:04:58

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Re: used oil heater in reply to Dwayne W PA, 08-21-2004 06:29:09

Thank you Dwayne. We all have differing experiences, some of mine coincide with T-bone. I don't recall him saying much if anything out of line or as a slam with with anyone, although with a little reading between the lines and such, I think he would like to. But never has he come out and slammed or attacked as some have done.
And that's my two coppers about that.

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TheRealRon

08-21-2004 07:01:22

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Re: used oil heater in reply to Dwayne W PA, 08-21-2004 06:29:09

Telling people that the EPA will hound them over some waste oil ash is bad info. If you had pointed it out, I wouldn't have had to. But you saw fit to criticize me for pointing it out, huh?

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Dwayne W PA

08-21-2004 07:15:28

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Re: used oil heater in reply to TheRealRon, 08-21-2004 07:01:22

Ron,you could've pointed out your opinion or facts on the subject without starting off with a slam to T-bone.I know niether of you personally...and never had any experience with waste oil heaters.However,it seems whenever you have more knowledge on a subject or a diff. opinion...you feel the need to slam,or put down the person you disagree with....again this is just my opinion and I'm sure you don't give a rats arse about it and I'm not gonna waste space here debating the issue with you...but I will continue to lurk and learn diff. things here...probably even from your post again....so,have a nice day...'nuff said.

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T_Bone

08-21-2004 04:04:00

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Re: used oil heater in reply to RJC, 08-20-2004 19:56:28

Hi RJC,

The only problem with waste oil heaters is the "waste" left over from the oil. The EPA is making it very difficult to get rid of some chemicals. After you filter off the usable oil your left with "junk" waste or the EPA dream come true for viloations.

Then you also need to learn to work on your own furnace as it can get expensive to have a service tech take care of it.

I would look into answers before taking on this project!

T_Bone

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Larry806

08-20-2004 20:59:22

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Re: used oil heater in reply to RJC, 08-20-2004 19:56:28

I have a Clean Burn wouldn't trade it for ANYTHING! I have a 40x54 shop 14' high not much insulation I keep the shop 72 all winter in Ohio. I keep thinking about one for the house just put a garage up & pipe the heat in the house. The wasted heat will heat the garage

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T_Bone

08-21-2004 16:36:01

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Re: used oil heater in reply to Larry806, 08-20-2004 20:59:22

Hi Larry,

My neighbor (a Coumbustion Engineer) will smile hearing his pension check will be alittle bigger as he holds the patent to the Klean Burn system.

If you think that one is nice you should see the one that EPA would not approve. It would burn anything, tires, oil, wood, synthetics, etc; and only leave behind the ash and there-in lies the EPA problem.

The burn process leaves behind some very nasty chemicals and no one in the country wants those chemicals, hence the EPA headache.

T_Bone

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