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Raising utility poles.

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greenbeanman in

08-07-2004 16:44:59




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I am thinking of installing a couple of 40 foot long utility poles.

There is little doubt that my 1720 Ford loader would be of no use for this since it only goes up to 8 feet or so.

I'm thinking of using two 12 foot long 4" X 6"s with chains, which I will partially raise before engaging the utility pole connected to them.

Does that sound doable?

Any other suggestions other than hiring a properly outfitted truck?

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Rickstir

08-10-2004 11:23:15




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 Re: Raising utility poles. in reply to greenbeanman in Kansas, 08-07-2004 16:44:59  
Beg, borrow or steal a boom truck. I know a guy at the local state park. He comes and does this kind of stuff for folks. Small charge of 12 pack can get a lot done in this part of the county.



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greenbeanman in KS

08-08-2004 17:36:52




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 Re: Raising utility poles. in reply to greenbeanman in Kansas, 08-07-2004 16:44:59  
Thanks for all of the ideas and safety suggestions. I really appreciate them and will weigh each and every one.



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JMS/MN

08-08-2004 10:59:40




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 Re: Raising utility poles. in reply to greenbeanman in Kansas, 08-07-2004 16:44:59  
You could do it with a gin pole setup on your loader, don't need to go over 20 feet high. Large Extendahoe backhoe might also work. Do you have a friend with a bale fork for a front end loader? I built a 50foot tower for the tv antenna and business radio, and have raised and lowered it several times using the bale fork. Even moved it to a different location after building the new house. The forks keep it from slipping sideways, like it might do on a loader bucket.

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P. Litey

08-08-2004 08:59:19




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 Re: Raising utility poles. in reply to greenbeanman in Kansas, 08-07-2004 16:44:59  
I don't know how big a tractor you have but we installed 30' poles with a Farmall H by tying the pole to the rear wheel and as we backed up the H it lifted the pole perpendicular to the hole. Than we loosened the ropes and wiggled it in the hole. For a 40'er I would use a loader to steady it so it didn't get away from me.



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MAC,IL

08-08-2004 07:20:39




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 Re: Raising utility poles. in reply to greenbeanman in Kansas, 08-07-2004 16:44:59  
I dunno, sounds a little scarey to me. Thinks I would pass on this DIY job. .



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Coloken

08-08-2004 05:56:22




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 PUT ON HARD HAT in reply to greenbeanman in Kansas, 08-07-2004 16:44:59  
YES! wear a hard hat.



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Bus Driver

08-08-2004 05:26:43




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 Re: Raising utility poles. in reply to greenbeanman in Kansas, 08-07-2004 16:44:59  
Have not dealt with poles of that length. I have set poles about 20' long with the boom pole on the back of the tractor. Make the best guess about the center of gravity of the pole. Put chain around the pole so that the butt end will be slightly heavier when the pole is lifted with the chain. Sounds crazy, but this might mean that the chain is nearer the butt end. Lift the pole a little, the butt should stay on the ground. If not, move the chain nearer the top of the pole. Helper should be able to move the butt end to the hole, push down on the butt into the hole while lifting with the tractor. If necessary, move the tractor forward or back while usng wheel brakes to move the boom pole over the hole, making the pole upright. Remember, the pole could come loose from the chain. Be aware of the potential danger.

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T_Bone

08-08-2004 06:47:07




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 Re: Raising utility poles. in reply to Bus Driver, 08-08-2004 05:26:43  
Hi BD,

Chains are not allowed for lifting for your reason stated, they come loose when slack gets into the chain.

Either use a wire rope sling or a nylon sling, (either has to be rated for lifting), rigged as a choke hold on the pole (the sling tail goes thru the sling eye).

T_Bone



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T_Bone

08-08-2004 04:40:21




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 Re: Raising utility poles. in reply to greenbeanman in Kansas, 08-07-2004 16:44:59  
Hi GB,

This is more of a how not to than help as I've only raised two poles by hand.

The pole weighs about 750lbs if it's 12" x 40ft x 8".

I did a couple 20ft's that went in the hole but not easy. The shape of the hole mouth helps alot, tapered trench on the raising side and a sharp bevel on the opposite side. If the mouth is not shaped correct the pole will catch (jam, stick) on the opposite side and will refuse to slide in without help.

Makes me wonder if using a deadman stake at the bottom of the pole would help. That would limit how far the bottom of the pole would slide until forcing verticle movement. To me it would help drop the pole into the center of the hole instead of letting it slide over onto the opposite sidewall.

I would also read up on how jin poles work. It's the rigging that would be of help.

Me I think if you figure the cost of buying the rigging ( wire rope, snatch blocks, etc) it would be cheaper to hire a boom truck or to rent a small hydro crane on the week end rate.

In any event, TO get 500lbs plus, 40ft into the air you best have all your ducks in a row or someone will get hurt. If young you probably could out run a 20ft pole but there's no way your gonna out run a 40ft'er.

T_Bone

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Leland

08-07-2004 20:46:15




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 Re: Raising utility poles. in reply to greenbeanman in Kansas, 08-07-2004 16:44:59  
What we always done was dig the hole then make the top half of hole bigger sit pole on saw horse . Then put butt end in hole take another tractor with rear blade, to hold pole then get loader tractor under pole and drive forward and raise boom as we go pole stands right up and falls in hole



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Mike M

08-07-2004 16:56:37




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 Re: Raising utility poles. in reply to greenbeanman in Kansas, 08-07-2004 16:44:59  
I don't know much about that model of tractor but I have set some tall poles in with front end loaders by resting the pole on the center of the bucket raised up a little extend pole over tractor out the back then chain the pole on the bucket good and solid use binders then you can lift the pole up and dump the bucket to raise the pole level and sit it in the hole. It may not cost that much to hire it done and it would be far safer.

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Jerry

08-10-2004 18:08:28




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 PAY INSURANCE in reply to Mike M, 08-07-2004 16:56:37  
Make sure that your health and death insurance is paid up. Cheaper to hire someone with the proper equiptment.



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