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radial arm saw vs. sliding compound miter box saw

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farmerboybill

08-06-2004 18:58:37




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I've been looking for a good, used radial arm saw for a couple years now. Everytime I get to an auction I find too much slop in the sliding mechanism to suit me and figured it was because the saw was shot from use and/or abuse.

So I was talking to a guy who's in a position to know and he says all radial arm saws - even new ones - have slop in them and you're never gonna get a perfect cut on such a saw. He went on to laud the Dewalt 12" sliding miter saw as one of the best on the market - it darn well better be for 600 bucks. I went into the local Sears and, lo and behold, the brand new floor model radial arm saw had slop in it.

So, should I pluck down WAY more than I ever imagined on a new toy or get a used RAS like I was gonna and live with a bit of slop?

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fixerupper

08-08-2004 12:40:04




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 Re: radial arm saw vs. sliding compound miter box in reply to farmerboybill, 08-06-2004 18:58:37  
I bought my DeWalt 12" radial last winter for $5. It was rusted and looked terrible, but after a few hours of dissasembly, cleaning, painting and reassembly it looks like new. During the restoration period I spent a little time on the net and found out that DeWalt, the inventor of the radial arm saw, sold their radial arm division in the middle 80's and they are now being made by a company here in Iowa. For parts I found a place in Johnston, Iowa that rebuilds old DeWalts. The name of the place skips my mind now, but they can be found on the net if you search under DeWalt. Just like I have read on some of the other posts, this saw does have to be monkeyed with every time the angle is changed so I mainly use it for crosscutting.

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Butcher

08-07-2004 13:02:24




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 Re: radial arm saw vs. sliding compound miter box in reply to farmerboybill, 08-06-2004 18:58:37  
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My saw serves me well. Not the intended use but, with a good tablesaw, miter saw, routers and alot of costom made jigs, this is all I need it for.

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evielboweviel

08-07-2004 12:21:48




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 Re: radial arm saw vs. sliding compound miter box in reply to farmerboybill, 08-06-2004 18:58:37  
alot of good comments
HOWEVER I have never seen a Sears Radial Arm Saw that will hold 90 degress. The collar tightens to the post with three setscrews once it is jared it will be out of adjustment and cannot be adjusted for true 90 by following procedures in book. Best you can do is check it before each cut slap it right or left to true up and not bind the cut or it will be out. The better Sears arms had replaceable rods on the arm to keep that part accurate.
Dewalt from the 70's has a good solid 90 degree adjustment and will hold it. However the cast iron arm will wear over time and not hold true. Along time and lots of cuts but does happen.
Have not used a sliding compond miter saw so can't comment.
Have had three different sears saws 50's to 90's. Currently have a Sears 10" bought new in 1994, a Dewalt 10" bought new in 1986, a Dewalt 12" compound saw and a Safety Speed Cut 60" panel saw, each one has it's use. Prefer my Safety Speed cut Panel saw for sheet goods.
Ron

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Rod (NH)

08-07-2004 11:10:32




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 Re: radial arm saw vs. sliding compound miter box in reply to farmerboybill, 08-06-2004 18:58:37  
I have three basic circular saw configurations:

1. A 35 year old Craftsman 10" radial
2. A 25 year old Craftsman 12" table
3. A 5 year old Hitachi 8-1/2" sliding compound miter

I use the radial no more than 5% of the time. About the only use it now sees is in some dado work and as a third set-up in a multi-saw usage sequence. Over the years I have found the radial to be too "finicky" in adjustments. Once the arm is rotated to a different position, accurate repeatability back to 90 deg is poor. I have never been able to correct this despite numerous alignment attempts done "completely by the book". The arm also has a little deflection in it which may or may not be a problem depending on what you are doing. Using it for accessory work with a moulding head is unsafe. Such things should be done with the correct tool -- a router or shaper.

Depending on your usage, you may not need the big 12" miter saw. My 8-1/2" one will crosscut a 1"x12" board easily at 90 deg. And the angles are accurate and repeatable. Of course the miter saw does not rip nor does it do dado or sheet work. However, for most 2x and finish cross and angle cuts, it can't be beat.

I started out with the radial as my only saw but if I had to decide my purchases all over again from the beginning, It would be a sliding miter saw and a table saw in that order, forgetting the radial altogether. If you do cabinet work, you need the table saw but the miter saw is an excellent addition to it and is actually better for general construction. My particular, all around usage is probably about 60% miter, 35% table and 5% radial. If I didn't have the radial, it would be more like 63% miter and 37% table. I would get along fine without it. The radial is great for doing multiple dados on long pieces such as sides to tall bookcases but that can be done with tools other than a saw -- such as a router, which is pretty much a necessity for a lot of cabinet work anyway.

I guess I would summarize my opinion by saying that the table saw is king for cabinet work and the miter saw is king for general construction work. With those two tools, you don't need the less effective and "finicky" radial for anything. If you can have only one saw, then I suppose the radial would be an appropriate choice, especially if the price is right. However, a good used 10" table (if you can find one) plus a smaller-than-12" miter would be a better choice, IMO.

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DL

08-07-2004 10:19:38




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 Re: radial arm saw vs. sliding compound miter box in reply to farmerboybill, 08-06-2004 18:58:37  
The saw you buy will depend on what you want to do with it. Personally, I do a little bit of everything, from framing to fine woodworking and everything in between. I owned an old Craftsman radial and, after fighting it for a while, realized there had to be a better way. I started out with a DW 705... 12" compound miter box. It'll cut a 2 x 8 @ 90 degrees, and will cut nearly through a 6 x 6... has about the best cutting capacity of any stationary miter saw on the market and has served me very well for almost ten years. I occasionally do some production work that requires literally THOUSANDS of saw cuts and I've used the 705 exclusively for those jobs. A couple years ago, I thought I was hearing some strange noise coming from the saw, so I took it to a reputable service center for a rebuild. The guy called me up and asked why I had brought the saw in... he could find nothing wrong (not even the switch, which has been cycled countless times). So, he blew the sawdust out of it, lubed it up a bit and gave it back to me. After a few years with that saw, I decided I wanted something that would cut a bit wider, so I bought a DW 708 (12" slider)... it's every bit as accurate and dependable as my 705 (which I kept, because I figured I wouldn't get much out of it by selling). What I like about the miter saws is that I can just swing the saw to the presets (or easily find and lock in an angle) and KNOW that the saw is cutting EXACTLY what it is supposed to cut... no fussing with adjustments! The other saw that I heartily recommend is the older Rockwell (or Delta, if you must) SawBuck. I found mine at an auction years ago, I think I paid $125 for it. If you buy one, be sure you get the ones with the ALUMINUM base... the newer ones are some type of plastic and aren't as durable. Anyways, the Sawbuck will crosscut 16", will compound, and will even run a 6" stack dado. Probably one of the MOST accurate and versatile saws ever built!
Regards, DL

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Bus Driver

08-07-2004 09:53:45




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 Re: radial arm saw vs. sliding compound miter box in reply to farmerboybill, 08-06-2004 18:58:37  
The other comments cover the subject well. My Craftsman radial saw made by Emerson is from 1963. The safety guard retro fit is not available for mine. Emerson will not be able to buy mine for $100.00!!!



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farmerboybill

08-07-2004 06:13:53




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 Re: radial arm saw vs. sliding compound miter box in reply to farmerboybill, 08-06-2004 18:58:37  
Thanks for all the advice. I'll keep and eye on this topic for any more advice. I do agree that you can do much, much more on a Radial than a Mitre. Guess I'll keep looking on auctions. Unfortunately, most "auction specials" don't have the original manuals.

In answer to questions on what I'd use it for - both. I've framed up small lawn sheds, made feed bunks, and constructed machine shed shelving. I've also made nice bookshelves and entertainment centers out of oak veneer. A table saw is nice until you're trying to crosscut a 7 foot board.

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MAC,IL

08-07-2004 05:53:08




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 Re: radial arm saw vs. sliding compound miter box in reply to farmerboybill, 08-06-2004 18:58:37  
I got an old Sears radial made by emerson elec. Works good and has plenty of adjustments. I have a miter saw also, BUT there are things you just cant do on it. As stated on other post, when making angle cuts on a radial, you should make a test run on a scrap pc of wood. However I do this even on the table saw.



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rustyfarmall

08-07-2004 05:22:27




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 Re: radial arm saw vs. sliding compound miter box in reply to farmerboybill, 08-06-2004 18:58:37  

Look for an OLD Craftsman that has the Sears and Roebuck label. If you can find one that has not been used till it's worn out, you will have a very good saw. Another thing to remember, just because you have set the saw at say the 45 degree mark for miter cuts doesn't mean that's what you will get. You always want to make some test cuts on scrap pieces and test the fit, then dial it in. Once I get my old craftsman set where I want it, it will repeat itself very well.

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Gregg

08-07-2004 04:04:53




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 Re: radial arm saw vs. sliding compound miter box in reply to farmerboybill, 08-06-2004 18:58:37  
I would recommend a Craftsman about 15 years old, at that time they were made in the USA by Emerson Electric.The manual goes into detail about initial setup and adjustment.



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fixerupper

08-06-2004 21:36:12




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 Re: radial arm saw vs. sliding compound miter box in reply to farmerboybill, 08-06-2004 18:58:37  
If you plan to do realy precise cuts, go with the mitre box. If you aren't going to do real fussy work, then the radial arm might be the way to go because it is a more universal tool. I have a DeWalt 12" radial arm that was made in the early 60's and it has no slop whatsoever and it glides realy nice, but it does have a small amount of flex in the post and radial arm. If I was to do realy fine work with it, I don't think I would be satisfied. I have owned some Craftsman power tools, and they don't impress me much. I think they have cheapened their power tools to compete with the Wal-mart type stores.

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ChrisL

08-06-2004 20:44:42




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 Re: radial arm saw vs. sliding compound miter box in reply to farmerboybill, 08-06-2004 18:58:37  
if you want to rip a board or make a clean slice down a 4x 8 sheet you better have a radial arm saw - not a miter - i also have a craftsamn = as basically my only saw - wouldn't trade it - the other post is right - there is 10 or 12 page setup to get rid of all slop and make true cuts



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buck

08-06-2004 20:28:40




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 Re: radial arm saw vs. sliding compound miter box in reply to farmerboybill, 08-06-2004 18:58:37  

I would say that it depends mostly on your intended use for the saw. All stationary work in a shop I would go with the radial arm possibly supported by a compound miter saw. If it is going to be used on the job site where being portable is necessary then the miter saw. I will point out that just a non sliding miter saw has the capacity to handle most all trim work. While I love the miter saw for framing work I find myself going back to the skillsaw more and more just for the convenience. Other questions wuld be. Will the sliding miter route, dato, sand or rip?

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Hermit

08-06-2004 19:54:38




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 Re: radial arm saw vs. sliding compound miter box in reply to farmerboybill, 08-06-2004 18:58:37  
Only speaking for the Craftsman radial arm saw that I own, there are adjustments on the slide rollers to take the looseness out, both vertical and horizonal. I can tighen mine down so tight it won't move. Saw manual has the procedures for tightening and squaring the blade.



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Pete

08-06-2004 19:10:19




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 Re: radial arm saw vs. sliding compound miter box in reply to farmerboybill, 08-06-2004 18:58:37  
What kind of work are you going to do with the saw? Framing or finish/trim? Check also for run-out on the blade arbor or motor shaft. If you can live with the results on a less expensive saw and/or are handy with a caulking gun buy the used saw. My opinion. Pete



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