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play farmer

07-30-2004 06:29:22




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I'm considering buying a milling machine from either Grizzly or harbor freight. They both have one in the $800 -$900 range. Will either of these hold up and are they accurate. I would just be using it as a home owner for ood projects on ald tractors and the like. This is the most I can spend but I dont want to throw good money away if these machines will not perform properly.

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DL

07-30-2004 18:53:09




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 Re: Milling machine in reply to play farmer, 07-30-2004 06:29:22  
We went to Grizzly's Bellingham (WA) store last year... I spent several hours checking out their metal working machinery... bottom line, I was NOT IMPRESSED!! The shop where I work has an old, full sized mill (must be 40+ years old) and it's one of the best machines I've used. I've also spent a good deal of time on a couple of old Bridgeports... and some brandy-new Jets. As far as I'm concerned, the older, the better. Nothing can take the place of quality old iron. In five years, we probably have spent less than 10 hours and $500.00 in repairs on our old mill (at the shop)... and we have NO plans to replace it with a newer one!!! Personally, I would save up a couple extra bucks and look around for a used, good quality, full sized mill... you'll never regret it!
Regards, DL

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pjw

07-30-2004 15:17:36




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 Re: Milling machine in reply to play farmer, 07-30-2004 06:29:22  
Get the Harbor Freight / Jet / etc., Taiwan machine. For home projects these mills are fine. It is the man not the machine that makes the machinist. Yes a Bridgeport mill would be great but they are expensive and hard to move and will take up more room in your shop. Now if you are going to try and make money with the machine that is a different story, in that case buy the Bridgeport mill.



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ScottP

07-30-2004 11:39:06




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 Re: Milling machine in reply to play farmer, 07-30-2004 06:29:22  
Vertical Mill/ Drill. 6x18, tooling, +vise; belt drive three phase, $600. WASHOUGAL, WA,360-835-9445. This is an ad from the Capital Press.
Scott
http://www.capitalpress.info/main.asp?SectionID=70&SubsectionID=740&BrowseClass=1&Clear=1&Category=1340



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Davis In SC

07-30-2004 09:45:25




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 Re: Milling machine in reply to play farmer, 07-30-2004 06:29:22  
My advice is to try to find a Bridgeport or at least one of the copies. We just bought a Jet Brand bench-type mill for a production drilling job. It does OK, but I would hate to try to do much milling with it. It does not have power downfeed on the spindle, & it does not have the rigidity in the quill & spindle to do accurate boring. With so many plant closings, there are lots of machines on the market now. As far as the 3-Phase issue, I had a Kondia mill at home, & used a static phase converter on it with no problems. Regards, Davis

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kraigWY

07-30-2004 08:29:52




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 Re: Milling machine in reply to play farmer, 07-30-2004 06:29:22  
I have a Jet mill/drill machine I bought about 20 years ago. It still works great and there is no limit to the uses I get out of it. I also have two lathes. I would get a lathe first but a milling machine is a great investment. Work set up is the most critical in any machine too. The things you can do on a lathe or milling machine is limited only by ones imagnation. I have even made replacement gears on my machine. I would say go for it.

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Rick K

07-30-2004 08:28:46




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 Re: Milling machine in reply to play farmer, 07-30-2004 06:29:22  
play farmer,
Ray is right. Sometimes an older "bigger" piece of equipment is better than the new "cheaper" brand. I live in the metro detroit area, home of most all things manufacturing, etc. Used bridgeports are like weeds around here and go in the $1500 range on up. Problem is you have to be savvy enough to make sure bearings, slides etc are not torn up too bad. I did some side work for a machine shop and for payment they bought me a "nice" gear drive mill. 2hp motor, import brand. It cost around $2000 with some basic tooling. I have a beat up bridgeport that cost less, with powerfeed on the table, that will hold tolerances way closer than this brand new mill. Plus the old bridgeport is a tank, I can hog of huge amounts of metal per pass, the import is no where as heavy duty. BUT, for smaller projects... nylon, brass, aluminum the import works great. If you are going to mainly do smaller work, I would get a new import. benchtop style.
Bigger work, used bridgeport. Precision work, a good used bridgeport $2000 and up typically.w/o powerfeed.

Around here, machinery auctions happen almost every weekend. the new small mills you can get 110v, the bigger machines are 220v and some 440v. so keep that in mind, you will spend a lot $500 or so, to convert 440 back with a phase converter.

Just my two cents, but get the right tool for what you are doing and you will always be happy.

Rick

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KURT (mi)

07-31-2004 03:55:29




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 Re: Milling machine in reply to Rick K, 07-30-2004 08:28:46  
Where in the Detroit area are you? I live in N. oakland county. I am also a toolmaker



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JHesler

07-30-2004 08:00:47




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 Re: Milling machine in reply to play farmer, 07-30-2004 06:29:22  
I've bought a few machines from Harbor freight including a 3in1 with milling head. They're ok but you will need to get them set up right. What your getting is basically a kit. First thing you need to do when they arrive is completely disassemble them and reassemble with shims, grease etc. As an example, the lead screw on the lathe had ACME threads cut then a slot milled down through the threads. Where the slot met the threads they never relieved the corners so what I had was a bunch of sharp cutting edges removing material from the half nuts in a hurry. Took a die grinder and a lot of patience to make it right. Probably the same type of lead screw quality in the milling machines. Considering the "assembly" effort with one of these machines, I'm not sure the extra cheap initial cost is enough to warrant buying one. Another example is my Harbor Freight wood joiner. They forgot to machine blade adjusters into the cutting head. Good thing I had the 3in1 reassembled by then.

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TimV

07-30-2004 07:55:06




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 Re: Milling machine in reply to play farmer, 07-30-2004 06:29:22  
Play Farmer: I have one of the "mini-mills" that are the baby brother to the one you're looking at. They're sold through Northern Tool, Harbor Freight, Grizzly, etc. for about $500.00. I've had it about 6 months, and LOVE it! Don't expect these to be perfect right out of the crate--they require a bit of fiddling, set-up, and break-in before you'll get good results. Even then, they don't have the accuracy that a higher-cost mill does. However, if you're just looking to do "tractor projects" and not trying to build the Space Shuttle from scratch, they should work fine. I use mine several times a week for those little jobs that you can't do well enough by eye, and need something more precise. The latest project was milling out a set of oak bearings for an old set of drags I got. Put a router bit in the mill and cranked away--perfect bearings in about 10 minutes per set! Once you have one, you'll find dozens of projects for it, to the point where you'll wonder how you ever got along without it.

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ray

07-30-2004 07:37:17




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 Re: Milling machine in reply to play farmer, 07-30-2004 06:29:22  
If it were me I'd look for a used bridgeport with tooling,vises,etc...
In my area (east coast) if you look hard and you're patient you can usually find a seller getting out of the business/hobby and get a lot of equipment/tooling (boring head, vise, tapping head etc...) in one swoop. Like everything else the tooling costs will exceed the machines $800 cost.(Unless you're looking for a precision drill press). Good luck,

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