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LeMaverick

07-30-2004 02:10:32




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Are there any hand-splitters that would like to exchange ideas and see what we can learn from each other?

What is your favorite splitting tool? A splitting ax (what kind), a maul (how heavy), wedges and sledge, something else?

Do you enjoy splitting or is it just a necessary chore? How many cords do you burn in a typical winter?

What species of wood do you regularly split? What ones do you like and which do you dislike or avoid? Do you prefer to split freshly cut rounds or do you let them season a little?

Do you have any special techniques, suggestions or hints to pass on to others?

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buickanddeere... burning

08-03-2004 06:36:38




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 Re: Splitting Firewood by Human Power in reply to LeMaverick, 07-30-2004 02:10:32  
You guys are burning red & white oak, walnut, butternut/white walnut and elm? Around here oak and walnut is so valuable that theft of whole trees to make fine finished furniture is the problem. Pecan? Wish it grew around here. Elms recovered and grew for a while after the Dutch Elm kill off in the late 1960's. Another round of disease went through here in the past 5-8 years so now there are all kinds of "widow maker" elms about 6-12" at the base again. Butternuts are tough to come by. Been waiting for out two trees we planted out 10 & 12 years ago to bear a crop. Harvested about a dozen tasty nuts last year. Maple, ash, birch and cherry are the hardwood choices here. Thorn trees burn well but are nasty to handle. Iron wood is too tough on the saw. Way up north white birch is prefered over the pine as it leaves less soot/tar in the pipes.

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Shane

08-03-2004 12:35:49




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 Re: Splitting Firewood by Human Power in reply to buickanddeere... burning , 08-03-2004 06:36:38  
Here you don't see Butternut anymore. Loggers don't pay squat for trees anymore. You can get more for a log cutting for fire wood than timber if it is Red, Black, or White Oak. Walnut used to be worth a ton like White Oak but now they just don't want to pay for it! Cherry still brings the most but hardly more than fire wood. Sad isn't it. We decided to sell about 100 trees this year due to over growth since we couldn't cut it fast enough. All were at least 16" and most were 20"-26". Mostly Red and Black Oak which fetched about $60 a tree. The Cherrys (12 I think)got about $120 a tree and the 6 Walnuts brought $100 a tree. The few White oaks were worth $80. Unfortunately we had to get rid of them since they were getting over crowded. Thankfully Cherry sapplings are growing all over the place in the woods we have. Neighbor has a bandmill and we did cut about 20 logs for timber for myself but we just couldn't cut over 100 trees. And these prices were from a relative of ours, got a quote from some other loggers and the most from them was only 3/4 what we did get.

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vince

08-04-2004 10:13:55




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 Re: Splitting Firewood by Human Power in reply to Shane, 08-03-2004 12:35:49  
fair prices on timber can be found at the "saw log bulleten" have google take a look and you will find the so called logstreet journal and find that you are getting %&*^(*&^*&



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Jenny Owen

08-16-2004 18:51:59




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 Re: Splitting Firewood by Human Power in reply to vince, 08-04-2004 10:13:55  
I need some advice regarding splitting firewood. I had two large ash trees cut down recently to fireplace logs, but they are too big. They need to be split for firewood. I would like to do it myself. Any suggestions for techniques and equipment are welcome. Thank you.



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LeMaverick

08-17-2004 06:32:58




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 Welcome in reply to Jenny Owen, 08-16-2004 18:51:59  
Hi Jenny,

Welcome to the world of wood splitting.

Ash is excellent firewood and it splits relatively well. How long are the pieces you will be splitting? Hopefully they are not longer than will fit into your fireplace -- sixteen to twenty inches is usually ideal. What is the diameter of the larger pieces?

First off, read an article that my wife and I wrote on the topic. It is posted at>Link

You will need a �Wood splitter�s Maul� and a �splitting wedge� or two. Get a six-pound maul with fiberglass or plastic handle. If there is a Harbor Freight Tools store near you they carry or can get an excellent maul (the best available in my opinion) for around $20 and wedges for less than half that. If not, any hardware or home improvement store should carry both at prices in that ballpark.

Start with the smaller diameter pieces. Split them in two and then again if necessary. Work your way to the larger diameter pieces. Set aside until last the �crotches� or �Ys� where branches started because they will be more difficult to split. As you split the wood stack it neatly to dry. It should not be stacked directly on the ground if possible but on scrap wood "runners" or anything that will elevate the bottom pieces a couple inches.

Don�t be discouraged if you have limited success with splitting at first. You CAN learn to split effectively in a fairly short time. We taught Annie�s mother the fine art and she has become an excellent wood splitter that is impressive to watch.

Post back here with any further questions or comments and let us know how you are doing.

Dave

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Shane

08-04-2004 14:37:36




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 Re: Splitting Firewood by Human Power in reply to vince, 08-04-2004 10:13:55  
Yeah I know that already! But we needed to get rid of those Oaks to allow the more valuable Cherrys to grow. I personally didn't want to sell them but you have to take care of the woods now to ensure a good crop of trees later.



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leaddog

08-02-2004 19:38:47




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 Re: Splitting Firewood by Human Power in reply to LeMaverick, 07-30-2004 02:10:32  
I built an outside woodboiler that has 34in sq. door and if I can pick it up or roll it in I just burn it. Easiest spliting There is. Oh yes I have ran into a couple trees that were bigger than that but I just sawed them in half with the chainsaw. I try and keep the work down as much as I can.
When I'm cutting wood I always think of the oldtimers that had to use hand saw and such and I'm sure glad the chainsaw was invented. I live in west Michigan where most of the logs were cut to rebuild Chicago after the fire and I've seen pic's of logs larger in dia. than the men cutting them were tall. Must have really been tough work

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buickanddeere

08-02-2004 14:51:40




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 Re: Splitting Firewood by Human Power in reply to LeMaverick, 07-30-2004 02:10:32  
Depends. Goos straight grain wood at ideal dryness and particularly if frosty. Along with someone with a good aim and properly sharpened axe. Splits with far less work than using a hydraulic splitter. That said I split the easy ones with an axe and leave the tough ones for several tons of hydraulic ram force.



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Leland

08-01-2004 11:54:31




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 Re: Splitting Firewood by Human Power in reply to LeMaverick, 07-30-2004 02:10:32  
Never burnt wooid ,but I haved helped people split wood by hand. Then they realized in what they spent replacing handles. they could have paid for a gas powered splitter. besides you can split a weeks worth of wood in 1 hour. and doing it by hand 2 days maybe . but do what ever floats your boat!!



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Shane

08-01-2004 16:53:32




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 Re: Splitting Firewood by Human Power in reply to Leland, 08-01-2004 11:54:31  
Must be a slow hand splitter then. I can easily split twice as much hardwood (Red, White, and Black Oak, Wild Cherry, Walnut, Hickory, Mulberry, and also Sasafras) as someone using a gas powered splitter as long as there aren't HUGE blocks or too many tough knots. I can stand it up and swing and pop it open before you can put it on the splitter and get the wedge moving through the wood. While you are waiting for it to go up I am either splitting those two halves again or another piece. At 24 yrs young and 6'3" I have a lot of energy and one hellacious swing. Long arms make it easy to get some serious speed in a swing and using an 8lb maul not much but elm stops her moving.

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Leland

08-01-2004 19:36:59




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 Re: Splitting Firewood by Human Power in reply to Shane, 08-01-2004 16:53:32  
Also what I forgot to mention this is a custom built splitter. The wedge is built with daul cross wedges, so I can spilt the same log once and have 6 peices of wood. And you doing it by hand must pickup log set it up break it in half then split the halves once or twice again .In other words you are handling the same piece3-5 times ,and we only handle it once. and we are going to modify a old corn dump that will put it in a pile in the old barn. therefore I can do a lot of back breaking work and touch a piece of wood once all my splitting and stackingare done. and by the way when I was 24 I could split wood with my bare hands ,but at 42 I like doing things the easy way. enjoy your back breaking work

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Shane

08-02-2004 08:43:13




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 Re: Splitting Firewood by Human Power in reply to Leland, 08-01-2004 19:36:59  
I have seen those multiple faced wedges but never seen one work. Do they do well in all woods or just hard easy split woods? I thought about modifying our (grandpa's) splitter to speed things up for him this way but wasn't sure if it would work in elm and cottonwood and the such.



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Leland

08-02-2004 15:37:21




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 Re: Splitting Firewood by Human Power in reply to Shane, 08-02-2004 08:43:13  
Well shane yes it will unless real knotty. they used a 6in cyl a 22 gal min pump and an old 2.3 ford motor out of one of there kids wrecked cars.Just make sureyou weld heavy gussets behind wedge, or it won't stay on long.and the engine idles so 5 gal gas last a long time.



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LeMaverick

08-01-2004 18:50:57




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 Re: Splitting Firewood by Human Power in reply to Shane, 08-01-2004 16:53:32  
Hehehehehe, Shane, take it easy on the power-splitting guys. They probably aren�t as young, strong and energetic as we are. When we are old or out of shape we might appreciate a little mechanical assistance.

I�m sure that you can outrun many hydraulic splitters in decent splitting wood. I have too for an hour at a time � back a few years (when I was only twice as old as you are now).

I don�t know if splitters have changed in the last decade or two, but hydraulic splitters had a 15 or 20-second cycle time. In that time a strong and skilled splitter can bust quite a few rounds of some nice red oak or similar wood. And, once the piece is halved you can split it into smaller pieces much faster than the machine. In the gnarled wood and difficult species, however, they have an advantage.

Of course, we hand-splitters get tired faster than the power-splitter. But, we may look at life a little differently too. We may not be looking for the easiest way to do things. And, we may not want to devote big bucks to a machine that would be used only a few hours per year instead of using some of our own energy and ability. I don�t know about you, but I love to split wood. My wife does too (she has a post down the thread as MsLeMaverick).

It is a different way of thinking about things, Shane. Ease, convenience and television shows are of utmost importance to many folks. I probably see things much the way you do, but we must recognize that we are in the minority.

Then again, the thread WAS started specifying Human Powered splitting.

Oh well, let�s be gentlemen no matter what side of which issue we may find ourselves.

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WoodSplitter

08-02-2004 12:09:05




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 Re: Splitting Firewood by Human Power in reply to LeMaverick, 08-01-2004 18:50:57  
Modern wood splitters use a dual-stage hydraulic pump that uses a fast travel speed until it encounters something really tough (like a knot) and then it automatically switches to the lower but more powerful speed to complete the split.

I used to be a mighty fine hand splitter but anyone who thinks they can split cord for cord by hand against an hydraulic splitter is talking out their backside.

TheRealRon

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LeMaverick (TX)

08-02-2004 16:49:15




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 Cord-for-cord? in reply to WoodSplitter, 08-02-2004 12:09:05  
Hi "Real Ron",

I don't think anyone is saying that they can split "cord-for-cord" by hand against a power splitter indefinitely. But I KNOW that a lot of competent splitters can stay with or ahead of the machines (at least those of a few years ago) for some time, perhaps an hour or more, in decent wood. I don't doubt that Shane can do exactly as he says and outrun a splitter -- and he evidently owns one.

I'm a bit "out of the loop" on modern wood splitters, but was around the machines of fifteen or twenty years ago. I assume there have been improvements, but am not aware of how much they have changed in efficiency.

Maybe you can answer some questions?

With the newer �homeowner� or �lower-end professional� splitters, how many splits are typically made per minute of normal operation? Or better yet, how many per hour? Assume that an operator is working totally alone and is splitting red oak 20� diameter 20� long.

What would be a reasonable estimate of hours per cord (128 cubic feet when stacked) of actual production under these conditions?

The machines split in only one plane, one direction, right? Do some machines split logs into four or six pieces with one throw? Someone in the thread mentioned a custom made job that split into six. That is highly unusual, isn�t it?

BTW, I've noticed the same ISP address appearing on "Ron", "Woodsplitter" and "Buckanddeere" posts. How does this happen?

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Shane

08-02-2004 08:40:40




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 Re: Splitting Firewood by Human Power in reply to LeMaverick, 08-01-2004 18:50:57  
Well I think the powered splitters have their place, we do have one and it is unstoppable in any kind of wood. Works great in elm and the such but for the hardwoods like Cherry and Oak hand splitting is faster for me anyways. I know that with some (lots!!) of age I will not be so macho about it but now I know it is giving me one strong back and a good sense of being. Strange to think that working so hard is so rewarding.

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JT

08-01-2004 09:27:00




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 Re: Splitting Firewood by Human Power in reply to LeMaverick, 07-30-2004 02:10:32  
don't split wood anymore, but when I was in high school several years ago a buddy of mine had some timber with a lot of dead wood. we both had pickup trucks and at the time every one was using a wood stove, brain storm, make a fortune selling fire wood. we used one of two things, the first was a sledge and a wedge, then I found this thing that worked great, do not know where I got or who made it, but it had a splitter wedge welded on the end and on top it was kinda like a slide hammer, worked good on good wood, like oat, hickory, ash, but was a pain in elm or other twisted grain wood.

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T_Bone

08-01-2004 09:14:20




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 Re: Splitting Firewood by Human Power in reply to LeMaverick, 07-30-2004 02:10:32  
Hi LeMaverick,

Great topic!

I've heating with wood for the past 25yrs. I usually go thru 3 to 4 cords a year of pine. I'm 150 miles from the nearest pine trees but I have a potting soil company 15 miles from the house that uses bark in there soil mix. They don't use log ends about 4ft to 7ft long, so I get them. They have a machine that takes off the bark.

I split by hand with a 8# maul. I've tried a couple different types but always come back too the wedge type. On some of the tuffer knots I use a splitting wedge after I start a slot with the chain saw.

Fiberglass or all resin handles work the best as the heat we have here eats wood something terrible. All garden tools I now have use this type of handle and it really works well for making the handles last. It doesn't do as well on the hands (to much viberation comparred to a wood handle)

I only cut/split early of a morning or late evening as it's too hot other wise during the winter, about 70� during the day and 40� night average. Ya, I know most of you cold people wouldn't even where a coat here, I didn't either the first couple years but you do get climatized on the thrid year.

T_Bone

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Little Ed

08-01-2004 07:53:27




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 Re: Splitting Firewood by Human Power in reply to LeMaverick, 07-30-2004 02:10:32  
First I look for a natural crack in the wood, figuring it is trying to separate there already, then I will hit it on the near side of center. This is more important as the rounds get larger. I have been using a 6 pound splitting maul, and a monster maul that I have had for about 20 years. usually split it where we fell it to keep as much trash and bugs away from the house. Greatest majority of the time it is a dead tree. Red Oak is the most aggravating, keep having to get the maul unstuck from the ground;)

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Don

08-06-2004 10:03:05




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 Re: Splitting Firewood by Human Power in reply to Little Ed, 08-01-2004 07:53:27  
I split about 10-15 cords a year with a monster maul from 1985-1998. It works much better if the wood to be split is not directly on the ground. Having a splitting block about 8 inches thick not only solved the problem of getting the maul out of the dirt, it also provided a bit more resistance so that very little of the down force was used to move the wood downward which translated into more lateral force and a better split. I found that having the top of the log a bit below my hips was the most comfortable spot for me to have the maul hit the wood and the splitting block was a help there as well.

An old tire from a compact car (13 inch wheel) was very helpful in getting the log to stay upright when it hadn't been cut at a perfect angle.

My monster maul hasn't been used much in the last 5 years. Four were spent in Houston where wood heat wasn't an option (and certainly would have been a problem because who needs to attract termites?). After moving back to the northeast the house isn't ready to have wood heat but since I've been thinning out some of the trees, I've been building a woodpile just in case.

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Joe Evans

07-31-2004 20:59:14




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 Re: Splitting Firewood by Human Power in reply to LeMaverick, 07-30-2004 02:10:32  
I've been splitting wood by hand since the mid 70's--not as long as some of you guys but long enough to add to this thread. Very fun reading. Love to cut and split in the winter, 20 to 40 degrees F with a good football game on the radio down in the woods. Oh yea, my two dogs are with me, too. Can't beat it.

I've used the same 6# True Temper maul since I started doing this. Gone through plenty of handles in that stretch. Am tempted to replace the handle when she goes with a fiberglass handle.

I split about 4 full regulation cords per year. The vast majority of it is wild (black) cherry. We have a crap load of that stuff growing around here, and it's always falling down so it gets cut up and split the most. Can be tough at times, but mostly splits well. Better green than cured out. Some cherry can get a twist or curl in it, and it's a real charmer when you encounter this type.

Split from bottom side, read the grain, and all that jazz. Only one other poster (thurlow) mentioned a technique I used for bigger logs, and that is, slab off chunks from the side first leaving a smaller chunk of the heartwood for a split across its diameter. This works real well for elm, too, which can be a bear on bigger chunks.

I've been leaning toward getting a splitter, but that old maul doesn't need gas or oil, and it starts every time. Years of maul work will give you a dead eye aim on your swing--I am the designated tent anchor pin driver at our annual school alumni festival. And another thing--all you maul guys and axe guys try your hand at a local fair "ring the bell" game. Amazing how power isn't the key here, just a good eye and a solid square hit. Natural for us hand splitters.

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07-31-2004 17:04:21




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 Re: Splitting Firewood by Human Power in reply to LeMaverick, 07-30-2004 02:10:32  
I have my own wood lot so what I do is cut the tree down and cut and split it right where it lays. I have not been doing this for long but seems to work good.(used to cut wood for a living though). Any knoty pieces that might be more trouble than they're worth simply stay in the woods. I'll cut a couple trees and make a little pile near the trail that I'll pick up later with the snowmobile or four wheeler when dry. Last year I welded a concret nail to the back of my maul. I used it stand the blocks up for splitting without having to bend over. Standing every piece up on a certin block wears me out fast. Nail broke off but it worked well enough that I'll replace it this year. One tool that I won't do with out is a set of lifting tongs. Saves a ton of work.
Good luck.

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KURT (mi)

07-31-2004 04:07:20




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 Re: Splitting Firewood by Human Power in reply to LeMaverick, 07-30-2004 02:10:32  
I use an axe mostly, my neighbor made a real nice log splitter, 11 HP motor, 5" bore cylinder, road towable too. This thing will split a face cord in about an hour or less, I split by hand mostly in the fall usually in November the week of thanksgiving--I like being outside in the 30-40s temps and seeing all the leaves falling and knowing that I have a bank of firewood ready in case I am snowed in. I usually use about one full cord per year maybe a little less.

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James in North Carolina

07-30-2004 22:34:41




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 Re: Splitting Firewood by Human Power in reply to LeMaverick, 07-30-2004 02:10:32  
We used about 2 cords last year all split with my 6 pound maul with fiberglass handle.

We use primarily black oak along with some pecan and sycamore. Our property is covered with 8 to 20 foot tall black oaks with thick trunks. Most have lost their tops to ice storms and will never be nice trees again so I'm using them for firewood. After clearing them, I replace them with hybrid poplar, aspen and ash. The poplars grow so fast they will be used for firewood in 5 or 6 years.

I love cutting and splitting my own firewood as it gives me another reason to be outside and is good exercise. Also cutting and burning dead trees allows me to start growing healthy trees in their place.

I like to let the wood set for a few months before splitting it. The first wood I'll split this winter was cut down this past April.

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Andy (MN)

07-30-2004 20:34:31




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 Re: Splitting Firewood by Human Power in reply to LeMaverick, 07-30-2004 02:10:32  
I heat my house and shop with wood. I do my splitting by hand. Wood,(even elm) splits a whole lot better when it's below zero. My nieghbors think I'm nuts splitting wood under the yard light when it's -30 but you stay warm as long as your moving and the wood flies apart. I use a 10# splitting maul.



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RJ-AZ

07-30-2004 19:35:16




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 Re: Splitting Firewood by Human Power in reply to LeMaverick, 07-30-2004 02:10:32  
I cut and split about three to four cords of Doug Fir and Mesquite. I use a 8# fibergass handle splitting maul. I have a 18" splitting stump with half a tire turned inside out nailed about 2/3rds the way around it that makes a backstop catcher like thing. It keeps the split wood from flying all over. I set two large speakers outside my shop and turn up the Country Music and get rockin'. I have a slat sided lean too for wood storage and heat with an OLD parlor stove my Grandfather had. It is a Round Oak made in Dowigiac Mich.

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Crem

07-30-2004 18:24:28




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 Re: Splitting Firewood by Human Power in reply to LeMaverick, 07-30-2004 02:10:32  
I have had the same axe since the 1960's. I replaced the head twice and the handle 6 times. :o))



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07-30-2004 16:47:15




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 Re: Splitting Firewood by Human Power in reply to LeMaverick, 07-30-2004 02:10:32  
Yep Dead red Elm trees by far the best burning wood but they are all gone from my area. Split severarl by different methods but nby hand it is in the speed and the wrist snap at the very last second . also that little twist as mentioned below helps. 60 years hyoung and still split some but not as much anymore.



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LeMaverick

07-30-2004 13:03:24




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 Re: Splitting Firewood by Human Power in reply to LeMaverick, 07-30-2004 02:10:32  
Here are my answers to the questions I posed at the start of this thread:

I prefer a six-pound maul with 36 inch Fiberglas handle (looking forward to trying a freshly hand-hewn 48� hickory handle as soon as I find another decent six pound maul head). I�m open to alternatives as long as they don�t require an engine. I�ve long been intrigued by the �Monster Maul� but have never hand the chance to use one. Anyone want to get rid of one (or any other splitting tools)?

Love to make �em come apart. We heat exclusively with wood in moderate winters of the Northeastern Texas Pineywoods area. Our fireplace burns almost constantly for about two months and intermittently for a few weeks in spring and fall so we burn maybe five or six true cords. We like the open fire. Even though it is not the most efficient, it works for us because we have plenty of wood to burn, my wife and I both enjoy cutting and splitting firewood and we have a fireplace.

Our wood lot consists of perhaps twenty-five acres with several species of oak, hickory, sweet gum, pine and some miscellaneous. The oaks are our favorite � easy to split wet or dry and nice to burn. Hickory can be a bit of a challenge to split, especially when wet, but burns great. Sweet gum is difficult (some might say impossible) to split but burns well. Pine splits easily if it is a little dry and is nice for quick fires or to get other wood going rapidly. We split everything from green to almost too far gone because we use dead, down or damaged trees, but it all burns. Our rounds are from a few inches to twenty inches in diameter and typically about sixteen inches long.

I�ll let my wife come in with a later post to discuss technique. She is a very capable and enthusiastic wood splitter (and young and attractive too) who uses finesse and determination to make up for size.

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MsLeMaverick

07-31-2004 12:04:30




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 A Word from the Wife =) in reply to LeMaverick, 07-30-2004 13:03:24  
Alright David, what are you doing in here playing on the computer instead of outside working?

Just kidding, folks. I'm LeMaverick's wife and wood-splitting partner.

A few years ago, even before we were married, we published an article on wood splitting at http://www.woodheat.org/firewood/splitting.htm (follow the link below). That writing began when we tried to describe to a friend, via email, how to split wood. There are a few things we might improve or phrase differently now, but most of the basic ideas are there. We are interested in hearing any input or feedback about the article; we expect to make a revision and resubmit it.

My favorite techniques are:

Focus, focus, focus - vision, mind and body must be well aligned with the intended mark. Accuracy - read the log for the best direction to split, then hit where you aim. Mentally aim through the log, down to the ground, or to the base of the log, where you want the maul to finish. Hit hard every time. Rest when you get tired rather than make weak blows.
Early in the swing I raise up on tiptoes (and sometimes come off the ground a bit during the swing) to get maximum speed then "snap" wrists right at the finish.

We taught my mother to split wood and she has become a remarkable splitter. She heats with a wood stove almost exclusively and does all her own splitting (except an occasional "tough one" that she leaves for us). My mother is 61 years old, never split wood in her life, and newly retired from 40+ years of driving a desk. I'm impressed!

Annie

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Big Bob

07-30-2004 11:42:45




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 Re: Splitting Firewood by Human Power in reply to LeMaverick, 07-30-2004 02:10:32  
Good topic. Good comments.

Live in French Canada (Quebec). Burn 12-15 face cord a year. Cut my own wood from my maple bush.
A good winter day, you fell a mature maple that is dead or dying. Buck it and split it right there. Splits good frozen. And the fellows are right. Split it "from the bottom side up".

I don't use a fancy axe but here's my tricks: 1.It's not the power of the swing, its the speed. An old cancer surviver man in his 90's taught me that. He still splits. Good for a man's soul.
2. If you angle the head of the axe just a tad as you strike, (so that the head is 'flopped just a little to one side, maybe 20 degrees or so), rather than stick, the blade actually assists in the splitting action and it'll pop right open.
3. Look at the piece you are splitting. Read it for its grain, for whether it has a branch on one side (which is hard to split), whether it wants turning to one side or the other. It makes it a very interesting job. 4. Praise God for making it beautiful and for the mystery of its growth and the abundance we have in our lives. This shortens the job up as you stay warm on a cold winter day.
You guys who split elm got more cojones than me. I tried it once and can't imagine doing it without a wedge.

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Lemaverick

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 Help me Big Bob in reply to Big Bob, 07-30-2004 11:42:45  
Hi Big Bob,

I tried using the ax, as you suggest, to split some 12" oak, probably white oak, and some 8" pine (both about 16" long and about half-way dry). Even though I tried "tipping" the head a bit before impact the thing sticks something terrible.

The ax I used is a double-bit 5 pound, 10" bit-to-bit and 4.5" across the bit. It is reasonably slim but is not what I would call a true "felling ax". It is quite sharp and is my third favorite ax (#1 being the one that stays in its leather sheath unless conditions are absolutely perfect).

Similar wood hit with my 6# maul flies apart, usually on the first hit. And, if the maul does stick, it is not near so hard to dislodge as is the ax.

Is there something I am missing? I'd really like to be able to split effectively with the ax. Should it be a different type of ax? Is being sharp a disadvantage?

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Paul Janke

08-01-2004 09:38:16




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 Re: Splitting Firewood by Human Power in reply to Big Bob, 07-30-2004 11:42:45  
I was watching for the info about twisting the axe to the side just as it hits the block. Instead of forcing its way into the block, it pushes the two sides of the cut away from each other. We split lodgepole pine and douglas fir, and it works with both of those. Green cottonwood isn't too bad if it is left until thoroughly frozen.



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LeMaverick

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 Re: Splitting Firewood by Human Power in reply to Big Bob, 07-30-2004 11:42:45  
Hi Big Bob,

Do you use a standard single or double bit ax for splitting? When I've used the ax it tends to stick in the wood pretty often and pretty solid, but then your idea of leaning the head a little should eliminate that. Will give it another try.

I agree with you and your 90 year-old mentor that speed the splitting head is traveling is the most important factor, at least it seems so when splitting with a "go devil" (maul).

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Mike (Wi)

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 Re: Splitting Firewood by Human Power in reply to LeMaverick, 07-30-2004 02:10:32  
OK, I burn between 5 to 7 cords a season depending on how soon I start and how late spring comes.

I cut it all myself and burn mostly red oak and elm, but there is some butternut, cottonwood, and mixtures of anything else I can find as well.

Split it all myself by hand. I use a 10 or 12 pound sledgehammer and three wedges. I cut a groove in the end with a chainsaw about 1-2 inches deep. Set the wedge in that groove, and hammer away.

I don't know if it is best or not but it works for me. Cutting the groove makes it a lot easier to get started with that old elm. Otherwise the wedges tend to go in crooked or the sledge bounces off sending the wedge flying. Cutting the groove avoids all that.--Much safer.

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Shane

08-01-2004 16:37:07




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 Re: Splitting Firewood by Human Power in reply to Mike (Wi), 07-30-2004 07:26:34  
Surprised to hear you have butternut still around. Here it got a blight some years ago, I am 24 and have never seen or heard of a live one. I was told by the DNR here if you come across one to let them know. Used to be abundant like its sister the Black Walnut. Where are you at. Northern Indiana here.



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Mike(Wi)

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 Re: Splitting Firewood by Human Power in reply to Shane, 08-01-2004 16:37:07  
Southwestern Wisconsin. It doesn't seem to be rare or endangered around here. We have lost more elm due to Dutch Elm disease than I would like to see. They say that oak wilt is getting to be a problem, and it looks like it may be true.

If you want Butternut, then just come up here and get some to transplant.



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Shane

08-02-2004 08:45:55




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 Re: Splitting Firewood by Human Power in reply to Mike(Wi), 08-01-2004 18:23:47  
Yeah, we lost a lot of elm here too but it is basically useless to us in this area it seems. No one logs it. They only want Oaks, Walnut, and Cherry here but want it for free! Maybe you can send me some Butternut saplings or bring me a good log! HA HA!



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txblu

07-30-2004 09:24:46




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 Re: Splitting Firewood by Human Power in reply to Mike (Wi), 07-30-2004 07:26:34  
That idea came to me as I was writing my answers. If you had all your stumps lined up (or a quantity of them) you could buzz them with the saw rather rapidly and get after the "mauling".

Great idea.

Mark



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TimV

07-30-2004 06:34:44




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 Re: Splitting Firewood by Human Power in reply to LeMaverick, 07-30-2004 02:10:32  
Between the parents, grandparents, and our sugarbush, we burned about 40 cord (not face cord) a year when I was younger. For many years that was all split by hand with an 8-lb splitting maul (or "go-devil" as they are known locally) though we now have a woodsplitter. I will agree with the comments about the Monster Maul--I've used them and they work well. Never had much luck on tough stuff with an axe, though I've done it in a pinch. Most of what we burned was maple and beech, though there was a fair amount of pine, hemlock, spruce, tamarack and other stuff thrown in. Birch, particularly large ones, can be difficult to split, and Elm can be downright impossible. The biggest thing with splitting is to look over your block before you take the first lick. Things like natural seams, hard and soft spots, grain direction, presence of large knots or limbs on the outside, etc. can make a huge difference between a clean split and a lot of effort with no reward. I always loved splitting wood--even now, I've been know to help out friends and neighbors just to get some splitting time in.

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thurlow

07-30-2004 06:29:01




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 Re: Splitting Firewood by Human Power in reply to LeMaverick, 07-30-2004 02:10:32  
Your handle concerns me a little bit; the French are held in some disfavor in my household..... ..I've had a 3-point hitch splitter (homemade) for 20-25 years. When my Dad was alive (and I was much younger), we used to split together, using a good, heavy, double-bit axe each. Stand the block on end and determine the split line. Standing across from each other, we would take turns hitting the block; the first axe would usually stick; the second would begin the split, freeing the first one. A really tough or knotty block might require multiple hits, but usually 2 hits each would split it into halves which one person would finish. Required complete trust in your partner and NO LOOSE AXE HEADS. Woods of choice were ash, red oak, honey locust and hackberry. We also split untold thousands of fence posts in this manner; facing each other on opposite ends of the posts; mostly black locust and some red cedar. Using an axe is mostly a lost art in these parts..... ..

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txblu

07-30-2004 09:21:58




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 Re: Splitting Firewood by Human Power in reply to thurlow, 07-30-2004 06:29:01  
We have tons of Hackberry where I live. How does it burn compared to oak? Seems to be a softer wood, easier handled, which translates to short burn time with low residual coals.

Additionally, my experience (with one cutter.....me) with splitting is that the axe would bury into the stump with no splitting action. Need a fat wedge to start the split but had to be delivered with a super dose of whammy to get it into the oak.

Mark

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Leland

08-01-2004 23:10:07




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 Re: Splitting Firewood by Human Power in reply to txblu, 07-30-2004 09:21:58  
TXBLU the reason we don't do by hand any more. Our friends bought a place that has rows and rows of hedge. When dry its like cutting steel with dental floss, and spliting is no fun with a maul. But its the best wood you can burn, gets so hot you can burn a hole in a barrel stove.And cast iron gets so hot you can almost see thru it .



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07-30-2004 10:19:15




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 Re: Splitting Firewood by Human Power in reply to txblu, 07-30-2004 09:21:58  
Hackberry burns good; didn't look it up, but based on personal experience would guess that there are fewer BTUs per ton/cord than some of the true hard woods. Does not split as easily as straight-grained red oak. If you're splitting it by hand and by yourself, it's probably easier to knock a few slabs off around the edge before you try to go thru the middle.....



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txblu

08-01-2004 07:32:59




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thanks



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LeMaverick

07-30-2004 08:49:38




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 Re: Splitting Firewood by Human Power in reply to thurlow, 07-30-2004 06:29:01  
Hi thurlow,

Would a 5'19", 350# French woodsman be ok (at least while splitting wood)? Hehehehe

I'm actually of Polish extraction, second generation born in US, a lot smaller than that and not a true woodsman. The handle came about because "Maverick" used alone is often preempted by others (and I rather identify with the term when properly defined).

I like your "two ax method" and use a similar approach using two mauls on hard to split rounds. When splitting really tough stuff, a maul and a wedge can also work well together. If it won't split after a few solid whacks with the maul, I leave it in after the last blow and drive a wedge on the opposite side. If that won't split a piece, I put it aside "until later".

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Leland

08-01-2004 23:13:22




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 Re: Splitting Firewood by Human Power in reply to LeMaverick, 07-30-2004 08:49:38  
Just how are you 5ft 19in or is that the polish???



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LeMaverick (TX)

08-02-2004 00:46:32




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 Re: Splitting Firewood by Human Power in reply to Leland, 08-01-2004 23:13:22  
Hi Leland,

Well, somebody was paying attention � of course it translates to 6'7". That�s NOT me, but the fictional Frenchman I invented to help thurlow split wood.

You see, thurlow had said, �Your handle concerns me a little bit; the French are held in some disfavor in my household..... .�. I wanted to lighten up the ethnic stuff so I proposed sending �The BIG French guy� over to help him.

A friend who is actually that size got tired of the obvious question so he started answering with 5'19" and enjoys the puzzled looks and the slow dawning of awareness. Come to think of it, he could even BE French (and is from Canada). Anyway, I thought his answer was funny so I borrowed it from him.

At the same time I let turlow know that I am Polish (immigrated in late 1800s � not me personally).

That, of course, entitles me to tell Pollock jokes. So, here�s one you�ve probably heard:

A big Pollock (or maybe he was Irish or French or English or Russian or something else) came out of the woods for the first time in a long while and bought a chainsaw. The salesman assured him that he could easily cut three cord a day with that saw.

A couple weeks later the guy brought the saw back and said that no matter how hard he worked he couldn�t cut more than a cord a day.

The salesman looked over the saw then started it.

The Pollock jumped back and said, �What�s that noise?�

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08-02-2004 16:17:32




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 Re: Splitting Firewood by Human Power in reply to LeMaverick (TX), 08-02-2004 00:46:32  
Thats funny I bought one of those saws also.



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Shane

08-02-2004 08:49:26




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 Re: Splitting Firewood by Human Power in reply to LeMaverick (TX), 08-02-2004 00:46:32  
I too was puzzled by the 5' 19" but thought maybe it was a typo or just the Polish coming out. Makes sense now! Funny man you are.



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txblu

07-30-2004 06:05:21




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 Re: Splitting Firewood by Human Power in reply to LeMaverick, 07-30-2004 02:10:32  
10 LB handled wedge, 10 lb wedge, 20 lb sledge, several ice cold beverages of choice, lawn chair or stool. Oak only, about 18-20" long to fit my woodstove. Smells so good when handling, splitting, and cooking, and it leaves good coals for the mornings fire start.

Usually buy one cord a year in advance (gets the season started) and then 2 per winter. That gives me one to burn (coming off green in January) and the other to cure for next season. Love to do it in the fall, usually during the Thanksgiving holidays. I go and find it in the woods (I'm on prarie) and make an annual pilgrimage out of it. Make 2 trips as my 16' tandem trailer starts making faces at me if I get more than one on it (around 4000# green). Very enjoyable and satisfying.

Store it on my porch; covered and wood decked, off the ground.

SPLIT IT THE WAY THE TREE GROWS, bottom most part up when you smack her with the handle wedge. If it is 2-3 mo seasoned or more and you are serious when you smack her she'll pop open like a watermellon. Will not normally do that if you put the wedge in the part that was toward the top of the tree. Something about the way it's fibers are arranged.

And yes no Water Elm. Will not split.

No Willow, too hot, Bois De Arc pops all over the house, Pecan is ok, as is hickory, which smells better than oak but more expensive.

Used to get prime oak for $60/cord I pickup at cutters house (where cut). Now is in the $140 range, but still a deal when you look at $ vs BTU's and I got a nice trip (2 trips) to the woods).

Mark

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07-30-2004 06:04:28




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 Re: Splitting Firewood by Human Power in reply to LeMaverick, 07-30-2004 02:10:32  
git yeself a "Monster Maul". best durn firewood splitter i ever had. look in some of the country based mags for ads. or maybe try a google search to find it.



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07-30-2004 05:56:22




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 Re: Splitting Firewood by Human Power in reply to LeMaverick, 07-30-2004 02:10:32  
I use a splitting maul. The "trick" I was taught was to dull it. Really works much better when dull then when sharp. When it's sharp it goes into the wood and gets stuck. Then I get to swing the log and all around, trying to get the maul blade out. When it's dull, it doesn't go in, and tends to shatter the wood along the grain it hit.

Next comes my sledge and wedges.

Split a gum tree by hand once. That was an incredible experience.

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Al m

07-30-2004 04:12:19




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 Re: Splitting Firewood by Human Power in reply to LeMaverick, 07-30-2004 02:10:32  
I use a 3lb axe,4-5 real cords a year,mostly maple mixed.do it as soon as I cut,in cold,jan-mar.Below zero temp is key to easy split.
Al



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07-30-2004 09:00:34




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 Re: Splitting Firewood by Human Power in reply to Al m, 07-30-2004 04:12:19  
Al, you hit the nail in the head. Splitting wood is a
good way to stay warm on a cold day. The colder
it is the better it splits. We cut elm half length
to make it splitable.

Jet



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LeMaverick

07-30-2004 09:42:04




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 Re: Splitting Firewood by Human Power in reply to Jet9N, 07-30-2004 09:00:34  
Hi Jet,

I sometimes envy you guys that have really cold days for splitting. Cold, brittle wood does split nicely (remembering from time spent in harsh winters). And, you are warmed three times by the same piece of wood -- cutting, splitting and burning.

In our area, NE Texas Pineywoods, we don't have conditions like that. We split whenever, even this time of year with temperatures often in the 90s (usually in cooler hours of early morning).

Of course, our water lines never freeze nor does the soil (with January and February minimums usually in the 20s and warmish days) and one fireplace is plenty to heat the whole house.

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 Re: Splitting Firewood by Human Power in reply to LeMaverick, 07-30-2004 02:10:32  
For many years I split 1' to 2' oak and maple with a wedge maul. It's a special maul with a pure wedge head and about 12 lb. if I remember. Great exercise. Then I got smart and got a splitter. It cut my splitting time down to a fraction of what it was and I still get plenty of exercise.

The most important advice I have is this... if you are going to hand split wood, get a very sturdy base that's dead level to set the logs on. I made one about 3' in diameter from poured concrete. It was 6' or so thick and half-buried in the ground.

Oh yea, never try to split elm!

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DiggerLarry

07-30-2004 10:08:00




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 Re: Splitting Firewood by Human Power in reply to Ron, 07-30-2004 03:32:03  
I agree about the solid base except I will cut about a 10-12" round off the butt of a large tree 2-3 ft and lay that on the ground, leveling it, and then set each piece upright on it to split it. It rots but I just cut another one and it's free.



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07-30-2004 21:21:31




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 Re: Splitting Firewood by Human Power in reply to DiggerLarry, 07-30-2004 10:08:00  
i try not to that anymore , but when the woods frozen it splits good.



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07-31-2004 19:14:22




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 Re: Splitting Firewood by Human Power in reply to toolman, 07-30-2004 21:21:31  
Get a 12# Monster maul,and your're SET! It's faster,at least for me,than a splitter.And less lifting/handling of the wood.Work in a team of two- one sets 'em up,and the other whacks them.Switch when the splitter gets tired.(best to get a partner with a strong back and a weak mind) Dave



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grizzley

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 Re: Splitting Firewood by Human Power in reply to Dave, 07-31-2004 19:14:22  
Hi folks,
Very interesting tread. Can someone please tell me how much wood there is in a cord, over here in Europe we use the cubic metre to measure wood.

Personaly I use a firewood machine which saws, splits, and loads all in one operation, which means you fell the tree saw up into pieces with a chainsaw, that you can lift on to the machine and thats it, you don�t have to handle it again until you take off the trailer to put it in the wood burner.

My machine can produce between 4-8 cubic meter per hour depending on size of wood being put into it.
The splitter has a cycle of about 3 seconds. It splits into either 2 or 4 pieces at a fick fo a lever.

Alot easier and quicker than swinging an axe or hitting a splitting wedge.

If anyone�s interested then they can see above machine at the follwing address:- 3xw.abmstaal.dk

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08-04-2004 23:58:56




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 Re: Splitting Firewood by Human Power in reply to grizzley, 08-03-2004 09:13:42  
Thanks for your answers, helps to put me in the picture when reading this tread.



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LeMaverick

08-03-2004 11:02:02




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 Our cord is 3.6 cubic meters -- 128 cubic feet in reply to grizzley, 08-03-2004 09:13:42  
Hi Grizzley,

Our "cord" converts to 3.62456 Cubic meters. It is defined as 128 cubic feet of reasonably stacked firewood -- or a pile 1.22 meters (4 feet) high, 1.22 meters wide, and 2.44 meters (8') long.

Terms such as "face cord" are also used to sell firewood; however, they do not have fixed volume and are largely meaningless.

Where are you in Europe? Germany? (judging by the URL you sent on your machine). Nice machine. Very expensive I guess?

I'm in Texas -- YES we have trees in Texas. The eastern quarter of the state is beautifully forested and supports a significant forest products industry. West Texas is another matter -- they don't even have pictures of trees in some of that country.

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08-03-2004 10:18:17




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 Re: Splitting Firewood by Human Power in reply to grizzley, 08-03-2004 09:13:42  
4 ft x 4 ft by 8ft..... in theory 128 cu ft; depending on how it's stacked. Mark Twain talked about cordwood stacked (to sell to steamboats) so loosely that a dog could be thrown through the stack. Depending on locality, wood may be sold or used by the rick, rack or rank (maybe some other terms). These are mostly face-cords 4 ft x 8 ft by whatever length the wood is sawn.....



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