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Advantages and Disadvantages of AC vs DC ???

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Alberta Mike

10-16-2000 06:50:01




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I'm looking to buy a medium-sized arc welder (220V) for some of the heavier stuff I work with (I have a small mig). Any suggestions as to what size (amperage) to consider? Also, I notice that some are AC and some are DC and I don't know what this means to a welder and is there any advantage or disadvantage of one as compared to the other. I could use some good, sound advice and maybe some technical explanation. Thanks.

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T_Bone

10-16-2000 15:27:28




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 Re: Arc Welders - Advantages and Disadvantages of AC vs DC ??? in reply to Alberta Mike, 10-16-2000 06:50:01  
Hi Al-Mike, Basicly a ac/dc machine gives a person more welding rod options to choose from. A/C rods are ok for most welding but as the demand of type of welds increases a DC machine will weld differently with different rods making welding easier.

6011,6013 are the most popular AC welding rods because the run nice on AC.

7018,7024,6010 are three very nice welding rods for DC reverse polarity (electrode positive). 7018 is the most verstial rods around. Runs good flat, horzontial, vertical or overhead. 6011 will also weld this way but not with so much control as 7018. 7024 is great for fast flat or horzontial welds and looks very nice. 6010 is a good choice where deep penatration is needed. 6010 is used to put the root weld in while welding a pipe joint or thick plate joint. 6010 straight polarity (electrode negitive) runs very nice for welding galvanized iron. Electrode refers to the lead that holds the welding rod.

Buying a AC/DC machine just gives you more rod choices for anytype of welding.

The amount of weld Amps needed is depending on rod size. 3/32", 1/8", 5/32", 3/16" etc, with 1/8" being the most popular. A 150amp machine will handle 1/8" about 110 to 130 amps needed, very easy and some 5/32" rod. It will also weld 3/32" rod for light gage sheetmetal about 70 to 90 amps required.

If your "not" going to produce alot of welds then a 20% duty cycle will be enough. Duty cycle is how long you can weld without letting the machine rest (cool down). The longer the duty cycle the more expensive the cost of the machine.

With a DC machine you can also Tig weld.

Apperently there are no copper windings being produce on any welding machine, what the guts of a welding machine are made of. Copper windings make a better arc and last longer.

For general around the house welding, it's hard to beat the Lincoln AC/DC or AC machine buzz box. I've seen them for around $500 for the AC/DC machine with 230v, 20% duty cycle. If you want to spend $1500 then you can get 60% duty cycle and $2200 for a 100% duty cycle. Now you see where the money goes on welding machines.

Hope This helps!

T_Bone

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morris John

09-27-2001 13:57:17




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 Re: Re: Arc Welders - Advantages and Disadvantages of AC vs DC ??? in reply to T_Bone, 10-16-2000 15:27:28  
Like dc better then ac/dc you get better pentration but less splatering and a lot better looking weld all around tops down dc. But look on the other side your ac is alot more how should I say this more sultle work not so much for the deep pentrating jobs.I would have to say for that job were you need to impres somebody I would go for the7024-7018. Better pent 6010-6013 love 7018 out of them all. AC/DC machines are the best you can get for a good buck and have it last for well as long as you weld.Still though I think my best work has been done on a Lincon portable mig they go anywhere and they get hot enough to burn through what 3/32 6010 would

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sjjoos

07-07-2001 12:27:41




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 Re: Re: Arc Welders - Advantages and Disadvantages of AC vs DC ??? in reply to T_Bone, 10-16-2000 15:27:28  
No copper windings ? foey! - The Miller
Thunderbolt XL series offer 1/4 inch square
solid copper windings, and a copper primary - all copper.



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Alberta Mike

10-16-2000 16:11:26




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 Re: Re: Arc Welders - Advantages and Disadvantages of AC vs DC ??? in reply to T_Bone, 10-16-2000 15:27:28  
Now, that's the answer I hoped to get. Still a bit confusing to me but I'll copy it and take it with me when I go shopping, maybe throw a bit of that stuff at the salesperson and make him think I know what I'm looking for (and see if he knows anything). Thanks a lot. MIKE



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Steve U.S. Alloys

10-17-2000 05:39:37




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 Re: Re: Re: Arc Welders - Advantages and Disadvantages of AC vs DC ??? in reply to Alberta Mike, 10-16-2000 16:11:26  
Mike,
There is a distinct difference between polarities.

On AC, 1/2 the heat generated by the arc is in the electrode and the other 1/2 is in the base metal.

On DC+ ( DC reverse, DCEP etc.) 2/3rds of the heat will be in the electrode and 1/3 in the base. On DC- ( DC straight, DCEN, etc.) 1/3 of heat input is in the electrode and 2/3rds in the base metal.
Steve



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