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Jeff

07-27-2004 10:50:54




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Now for some tech questions.
I have been cutting wood/firewood for many years. I have a large collection of McCulloch saws from a little 2.2 to a 6hp. I REFUSE to cut dry wood with a chain saw cause it burns up the chains. YES I have the oiler set for max. YES I use fresh sharp chains. I also know that Sthill makes a "drt wood chain" but it cuts very slowly.
If you cut green wood the chains will only get a little warm and NOT take the temper out of the cutters. Todays saws run from 10 to 13,000rpm and they can get very hot very quick. The very old gear head saws run around 2500 chain speed. They stay much cooler. If I need to cut dry wood I use a garden hose at a slow dribble in the cut. Problem solved. Now,,How do you convince old people who know it all or young people who know it all that small stuff like 5" you can cut. The BIG STUFF LIKE 20"+ LOGS WILL RIP YOUR SAW UP.Some "WOOD" guy told my dad years ago that you can cut dry wood and he will not let go! I cut 6-10 cords a year with the neighbors and can do most of the day with the same chain in green wood. I need and want some good answers here. Where are the PROS out there?
PS Let's not go where how sand can turn a new chain in to a dog leash in about 3 seconds flat!
THANKS MUCH GUYS

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tell you what --

07-28-2004 10:42:08




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 Re: Dry wood in reply to Jeff, 07-27-2004 10:50:54  
you cut what/when you want to and i will do the same.



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Mike M

07-28-2004 09:22:36




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 Re: Dry wood in reply to Jeff, 07-27-2004 10:50:54  
I had a similar problem with a Partner Saw. Finally got rid of it and bought a Sthil 032 just because it had an adjustable oil system---End of problems.

On dads old Poulan saw you have to use thier brand of oil or it doesn't work right,but it works fine with the right oil.



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Ben in KY

07-28-2004 08:13:30




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 Re: Dry wood in reply to Jeff, 07-27-2004 10:50:54  
I have cut about 20 full cords of wood for the last 2 years. About half was standing dead seasoned oak or cherry. No problems with the saw or chain. Yes it will need a bit more frequent sharpenings cutting the dead stuff, but not a problem. I am using a 150.00 16" Poulan saw and sharpen about every 2 tanks of gas. I am more than ready for a break by then anyway.



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markct

07-27-2004 18:52:56




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 Re: Dry wood in reply to Jeff, 07-27-2004 10:50:54  
well i am not a proffesional logger by any means, but do use a chainsaw a decent amount and have went thru the stihl tech training courses a few years ago and worked at a chainsaw shop for a while. i have never heard anyone say what you say, never a proffesional logger, homeowner, or anyone in between. i agree that dry wood is probably a little more abrasive to the chain, but i think its probably the dry bark more than anything, and even then i see no reason it would burn a chain, it may discolor the chain from sap and stuff in the wood, i have notived that alot more in dry wood, but never have i burnt a saw chain. if you look at the surface feet per minute of a chainsaw you will see it is simular to that of most woodworking tools yet when they are setup properly they rarely burn there cutting tools either, rpm is irelevent to chain speed, it depends on both the rpm and the size of the drive sprocket. im not denying that dry wood is harder on a chain, but i am saying that it shouldnt be burning your chain, just possibly dulling it slightly faster, even so i would rather file it a little sooner than mess around with dribling water on the cut. i would also check out your chain oiler and make sure you are using a good quality oil, make sure the bar hasnt gotten split near the sawhead which can allow oil to leak out if the oil passages into the chain groove are blocked. what type of saw and chain are you running also? if its a cheepie then the chain may not be the best, nor the oiling system,you shouldnt be burning chains under any circumstances, i thought i had heard all the chainsaw urban legends but never the "too dry to cut" one, might be a good one to remember tho for when my neighbors want me to cut up stuff for them lol!!!

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old time logger

07-27-2004 17:29:37




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 Re: Dry wood in reply to Jeff, 07-27-2004 10:50:54  
i think i have heard it all now



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Van in AR

07-27-2004 22:27:07




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 Re: Re: Dry wood in reply to old time logger, 07-27-2004 17:29:37  
I agree, it is a little harder on the chain just hit it a extra lick with the file. I have found seasoned wood may be a little harder to cut but just let the saw cut and dont crowd it. Might have to turn up the oiler a bit. Have seen trees that have been down two years and are still not "dry". I would keep the hose for watering the flowers and keep a sharp chain.
Van



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VaTom

07-27-2004 17:52:56




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 Re: Re: Dry wood in reply to old time logger, 07-27-2004 17:29:37  
Yeah, but where else do you get such entertainment?

I recently slabbed a 32" d. oak that stood dead for 3 yrs and then the log waited for another 2yrs before we got to it. No problem at all but we're still talking relatively green wood at 40+% moisture content. This was done with a Stihl 088.

The 30 yr old oak limbs that are scattered around the forest from the last logging here are much harder, but not much challenge for my smaller saw. Certainly no burning. Do have to sharpen more often.

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T_Bone

07-28-2004 02:45:28




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 Re: Re: Re: Dry wood in reply to VaTom, 07-27-2004 17:52:56  
Ask Tom as I don't think anyone has "dry" wood except me. Here in AZ I burn about 3 cords a winter of pine thats been sand blasted for a couple years then baked in the Arizona desert sun.

All I can say is, when I bring a log into the house it asks for a glass of water before I throw the log onto the fire.

I get lucky every now and again a get a few pieces of green stuff. I have a potting soil company about 15miles from the house that uses bark in there potting soil mix so they have to buy pine log ends to get the bark. I get the log ends and they get the bark.

I sharpen a chain about 2 to 3 times a cord. It's just like cutting driftwood.

T_Bone

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big fred

07-28-2004 10:09:28




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Dry wood in reply to T_Bone, 07-28-2004 02:45:28  
T-bone, that sounds like the pinyon pines I was cutting last month south of Palm Desert, CA. Cutting the dead trees out of the San Bernardino Natl Forest. They get a little abrasive due to the bark catching quite a bit of fine sand, especially near the ground. Hadda clean the air filter twice in one day, never have that problem up here in Washington.



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VaTom

07-28-2004 06:29:21




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Dry wood in reply to T_Bone, 07-28-2004 02:45:28  
T_Bone,

You got that right. I still can hardly believe they drag all those pines in. Not like they grow just down the road. Seems like they'd grab the bark closer to where they grow and not transport the whole thing. The mountain saw mills I remember always burned the slabs. Nobody wanted 'em. Guess y'all are getting yuppiefied.

Of course if they didn't, that'd leave you in the cold. Do you even own a sweater?

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T_Bone

07-28-2004 23:18:52




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Dry wood in reply to VaTom, 07-28-2004 06:29:21  
Hi Tom,

Sweater? No! Heavy coat yes :)

After your here a couple years your blood thickens and it gets cold,... 30� lol

T_Bone



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thurlow

07-28-2004 09:44:54




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Dry wood in reply to VaTom, 07-28-2004 06:29:21  
White man build big fire; stay warm cutting wood. Indian build small fire; sit close to stay warm.



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Ron

07-27-2004 12:21:05




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 Re: Dry wood in reply to Jeff, 07-27-2004 10:50:54  
Not sure why you are on this mission but I'll disagree.

Get a real saw, like a Stihl or Jonsered, and get something called "loggers chain". OREGON makes it. It's full-chisel instead of that namby-pamby semi-chisel "safety" chain the government forces the saw makers to give away with their saws.

Now, when you cut dry wood (or wet, don't matter) let the saw do the work. DO NOT APPLY PRESSURE TO THE BAR. Just let the bar rest on the wood while you let it do the cutting.

I've felled many hundreds of trees and bucked them and made firewood out of them. Wet or dry, just don't matter. Never even come close to burning a saw chain. I sharpen them with my trusty Dremel until the chain gets so stretched it gets replaced.

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Van in AR

07-29-2004 19:52:30




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 Re: Re: Dry wood in reply to Ron, 07-27-2004 12:21:05  
"I sharpen them with my trusty Dremel until the chain gets so stretched it gets replaced."

If your chain is stretching, not enought oil flow, turn your oiler up ace.



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Ron from IL

07-27-2004 11:36:10




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 Re: Dry wood in reply to Jeff, 07-27-2004 10:50:54  
Jeff,

I agree with you about dry wood. The same goes for chipping up limbs. My chipper/shredder will handle up to 3" limbs IF THEY'RE WET! If you try to chip dry wood, it will beat you (shoulders/elbows) to pieces. I don't cut a lot of firewood nowadays (mostly just trim-ups and deadfalls), but used to use wood as a primary source. The only problem with cutting wet wood only is that you have to stay a year ahead in firewood to allow enough time for it to dry sufficiently. I do cut a LOT of small (3"-8") p!ss elm around here, as it's continually dying and falling into the yard! I can tell that it dulls a chain quickly, but I don't have much choice. I keep at least one (usually two) spair sharp chains on hand when cutting. I have a Husqvarna now, and it seems to really do better than any saw I've owned previously (Homelite, McCulloch, Remington, David Bradley). Hope this helps.

Ron

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ray the tree dork

07-27-2004 12:33:21




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 Re: Re: Dry wood in reply to Ron from IL, 07-27-2004 11:36:10  
What are you calling dried wood? In tree form laying on the ground for a few years it still has a high moisture content...
I think dry I think under 15% moisture content and for burning purposes its probably 30%+.
Having said all that nonsense -- I never heard of anyone refusing to cut a log because it might be to dry -- steel trapped in the middle, coated with gravel embedded soil, covered in poison ivy but never to dry or a rotten log. Once in a while I'll complain about having to roll a heavy hickory or black locust log and I wish it were drier because it'll be lighter. You might avoid cutting open pore tree's instead. They wick up silica (sand) from the soil and abrade you chain.

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Brian G. NY

07-27-2004 13:20:14




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 Re: Re: Re: Dry wood in reply to ray the tree dork, 07-27-2004 12:33:21  
I've been cutting firewood (for my own use) for years. I have two wood stoves and I burn about 4 full cords a year. For the past 8 or 9 years I have been cutting mostly dead trees off my 52 acre wood lot. For the last 4 years I've used a "disposable" small Homelite 14" saw for most stuff and a Homelite 360 for the bigger stuff. I cut mostly dead ironwood (eastern hop hornbean) which tends to die when it reaches a dia. of 5" to 10". This IS hard wood and (unlike red oak) it "seasons" extremely well as it stands. I might agree that the chain wears somewhat faster than when cutting, for example, green maple, but I don't think it is excessive. BTW, I picked up a new 14" Stihl" chain at a garage sale last fall and put it on my little Homelite. I cut practically my whole supply of wood with only a couple of sharpenings; I was impressed! I find shagbark hickory to be especially hard on chains because of the "flapping" of the very hard bark.

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