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Help T bone what happened here

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Larry806

07-24-2004 09:20:28




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Lit the torch a while ago to heat something. it poped & went out. The torch kept getting hotter to hold It was on fire inside. (I have 1 way valves in the torch where the hoses go on) I shut the tanks off & felt the oxy hose getting HOTTER all the time I threw the torch in a bucket of water & steped back The oxy line EXPLODED back about 6 ft fire went 10 feet across the shop. I know oxy will burn but I thought you needed a LOT of heat to get it to burn

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T_Bone

07-24-2004 12:32:49




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 Re: Help T bone what happened here in reply to Larry806, 07-24-2004 09:20:28  
Hi Larry,

Oxygen can not burn. Oxygen is a accelerant to support combustion of a fuel source. Take away the fuel source, oxygen will just sit there.

To support combustion we need to have three items: a fuel source, a oxygen source, ignition.

What happen is, your acetylene valve on the mixing body is leaking enternally. You probably turned off the acetylene first, then turned off the oxygen. What this did was lower the vapor pressure inside of the mixing body thus sucking the flame back inside the mixing chamber.

That is why you always shutt off the oxygen first then the acetylene.

Since the mixing body has both acetylene and oxygen it kept burning inside the mxing body up into the hose to where it finally poked a hole into the oxygen hose. At the same time both gases expanded thus a large flame was shot out the small hole in the hose until the fuel was burnt off.

So where did the fuel source come from since you turned off the cylinders? You shut off the main cylinder valves. That left aectylene gas inside the pressure regulator. Until this fuel source was used up the fire continued to burn.

Had you also backed out the pressure regulator handles then that would have shut off most of the gases and caused a much smaller explosion. Thats provided your regulators and cylinder valves were not leaking.

Why did the fire burn up into the oxygen hose and not the acetylene hose? Cause acetylene needs oxygen to burn.

Needless to say you need to have the mixing body and cutting head rebuilt. You also need to test your regulators and cylinder valves to make sure there not leaking.

Why didn't the check valves and flame arrestors stop the flame? Probably stuck open due to dirt or corrossion.

The hose needs replaced and NOT repaired. You don't know how weak the hose is on the inside where the fire was or was heat damaged.

T_Bone

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napaguy

07-26-2004 19:20:25




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 Re: Re: Help T bone what happened here in reply to T_Bone, 07-24-2004 12:32:49  
t-bone, you never fail to amaze me. i read each of your replies and am glad we have people like you on this board. napaguy



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txblu

07-26-2004 08:12:54




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 Re: Re: Help T bone what happened here in reply to T_Bone, 07-24-2004 12:32:49  
Nice accurate answer. I like it.

Mark



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G.King

07-26-2004 13:41:45




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 Re: Re: Re: Help T bone what happened here in reply to txblu, 07-26-2004 08:12:54  
Thats why I read his posts.



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AZ Jack

07-24-2004 21:35:15




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 Re: Re: Help T bone what happened here in reply to T_Bone, 07-24-2004 12:32:49  
Thank you T_bone for some good info. I am using a torch that belonged to my dad and I am old enough to be a dad to someone that is a dad also-In other words I am old and my torch is even older and has been doing strange things at times. Now I know why-will get that sucker fixed. Thanks, Jack



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Larry806

07-24-2004 17:46:05




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 Re: Re: Help T bone what happened here in reply to T_Bone, 07-24-2004 12:32:49  
Thank you I have 100 ft hoses on this torch It burnt out about 6 ft from the torch I'm thinking about just cutting about 20 ft off Do you think that would be enough. I have another set of regulator's & torch I can use. I don't use the torch near as much anymore after I got a plaz



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T_Bone

07-25-2004 15:01:14




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 Re: Re: Re: Help T bone what happened here in reply to Larry806, 07-24-2004 17:46:05  
Hi Larry,

The fire/explosion weaken the hose. I would also think that there is a good deal of carbon residue inside the oxygen hose for quite aways away from the exit wound if not the entire length.

The last time I bought 1/4" Goodyear hose it cost me $30/50ft. For $60 it's not worth the risk.

I would also cut the old hose into small pieces before discarding.

T_Bone



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JT

07-26-2004 16:43:02




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Help T bone what happened here in reply to T_Bone, 07-25-2004 15:01:14  
I too agree with T-bone. I have never seen him give advice on here that I could fault. He knows what he is talking about!!

I would part with $60 for the hose sooner than taking the chance. Anyway if the hose is as old as I am guessing it is it should be replaced anyway. Those hoses are a maintenance item and should be inspected and replaced regularly.

JT



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Ron

07-25-2004 03:44:54




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 Re: Re: Re: Help T bone what happened here in reply to Larry806, 07-24-2004 17:46:05  
I'd listen to T_Bone. It would be dangerous to use that hose, any part of it. Hose is cheap compared to a fire.



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