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How should I build an air line?

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Brad

07-20-2004 18:51:39




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I am going to pipe an air line from my air compressor to the work area and needed to get some information from those with experience. I had thought that iron pipe was always used, but, my nephew says that soldered copper is also used, but don't use plastic. And, what about a drip leg? Put it at the end or at the beginning?




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arthur

07-21-2004 18:54:24




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 Re: How should I build an air line? in reply to Brad, 07-20-2004 18:51:39  
use a larger pipe than you thing you need a better folw with less pressure drop . also put alot of "T's " in for any future changes alot easyer than cutting pipe up in the ceiling later i put a T in place of couplings and elbows . never was sorry for doing that .



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Rick

07-21-2004 11:07:04




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 Re: How should I build an air line? in reply to Brad, 07-20-2004 18:51:39  
Brad; I used galvanized pipe and have a drop drai below every air out let. So no matter wher I am at in shop I can flip value to drain. I also elimianted the drains on tank bottom abnd run a 50 foot hose out of their also so when you use this hose you also drain the water. Rick



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Brad

07-21-2004 10:26:04




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 Re: How should I build an air line? in reply to Brad, 07-20-2004 18:51:39  
Thanks for all the suggestions, guys. Since I'm an old hand at soldering copper, that's the way I'm going. It's easy, fast and it'll look beautiful.



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Mike M

07-21-2004 10:08:49




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 Re: How should I build an air line? in reply to Brad, 07-20-2004 18:51:39  
Depending on how much volume you need,you could always buy an extra air hose and cable tie it up in the rafters,or run the plastic tubeing that is used on semi trucks it's very easy to run and ODOT approved for air so you know it's safe.Also works for water and fuel too.



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Rod (NH)

07-20-2004 21:49:18




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 Re: How should I build an air line? in reply to Brad, 07-20-2004 18:51:39  
Hi Brad,

Your nephew is correct. DO NOT use PVC for compressed air at any pressure. See this and this.

Use either steel (iron) or copper. I prefer copper. If you select copper, use the 95/5 tin/lead solder rather than 50/50 because it provides a higher pressure/temperature rating. The weak link in a soldered copper piping system is the solder joints, not the tubing itself. I prefer type L rather than type M because it provides a little better protection against physical abuse. Of course the best from a physical abuse standpoint is steel with all socket-welded joints but that is overkill for most home shops.

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TimFL

07-20-2004 20:58:14




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 Re: How should I build an air line? in reply to Brad, 07-20-2004 18:51:39  
We have used SCH40 PVC for years. Rated for, I think, 480 psi. As long as you glue the joints proper and it is not expased to direct sun it works great. Secure it with conduit clips. Our compressor tops out at 175psi. Put drip legs on the bottom of all down pipes from overhead runs. Water will accumulate in any pipes that run down not just the first or last.



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KURT (mi)

07-21-2004 02:41:47




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 Re: Re: How should I build an air line? in reply to TimFL, 07-20-2004 20:58:14  
IF the PVC were to rupture you would have plastic shrapnel all over and maybe in you. I was taught from early on NEVER use PVC pipe for compressed air.



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Joe Evans

07-20-2004 20:53:35




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 Re: How should I build an air line? in reply to Brad, 07-20-2004 18:51:39  
A copper pipe system with soldered joints will do just fine for your air line. It's easier to install than iron pipe and looks better IMO. Soldering copper is a piece of cake provided the joint has been cleaned properly. All you need is some flux, solder, plumber's cloth, some fitting brushes and a Bernz-O-Matic torch. Cutting and threading iron pipe--yuk!

As stated below, DO NOT use PVC for the system.

Shut off valves should be installed at each end of the run. Also install a valve at the end of the drip leg for easy blow-down and drainage of the line. Also install a regulator and coalescing filter at the end of the run. By this time, the compressed air has cooled somewhat allowing moisture to drop out of the airstream more readily than having a filter at the source. The regulator should be equipped with a pressure gauge, too.

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Ron

07-20-2004 19:21:31




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 Re: How should I build an air line? in reply to Brad, 07-20-2004 18:51:39  
Wayne gave you some good info.

I don't have this but a neighbor does and he loves it. It's some new fancy aluminum air pipe system with fittings you just connect by hand, absolutely no tools needed. They sell it in raw pipe and then you cut to fit and buy only the fittings you need. He said it took him longer to decide where to put the pipe than it did to install it. Looks very professional. He got it at a big home center.

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RJC

07-20-2004 20:14:17




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 Re: Re: How should I build an air line? in reply to Ron, 07-20-2004 19:21:31  
Ron. Would like to know more about that aluminum line and what home store?



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Ron

07-21-2004 06:05:00




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 Re: Re: Re: How should I build an air line? in reply to RJC, 07-20-2004 20:14:17  
See>Link

Either>Link HD or Menards, the only two we have.



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Wayne

07-20-2004 19:14:49




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 Re: How should I build an air line? in reply to Brad, 07-20-2004 18:51:39  
I've never heard of using copper pipe for an air line, but as long as you use the right kind and it's rated for the pressure your gonna run I don't see where it would hurt. Still it sounds kinda expensive to me, not to mention time consuming having to solder all the joints. The one in our current shop is 1/2 inch galvanized pipe and it's been in use for over 10 years with no problem. The shop before it was piped the same way and it was still good when we left there 20 years after dad built it. The best thing to do for moisture it come off the tank a ways and put an inline filter/moisture seperator. Also drain your tank frequently to get rid of what accumulates in it. Unless you live in an extreemely humid area the tank draining and seperator should take care of 99% of the water that might get into the lines. If your gonna do any painting or anything else very moisture sensative you can get an inline dryer to put right before the gun that will take out any oil or moisture that might get past the seperator at the tank. As for a drip leg if you run the pipe overhead the lowest point is gonna catch moisture regarless of wether it's at the begining or at the end of the run. If you want to put a drip leg the surest way to make it work is to put it at the beginning of the run and angle the line slightly uphill from it. That way all the air travels past it and it is the lowest point in the system so any moisture in the line should flow back to it As for plastic pipe, there are certain ones that can be used an air system, you just have to be 100% sure you get the right kind, use the proper glue, etc etc. Where most people make the mistake is trying to run plain PVC, and it doesn't work all that well under 'high' pressure. One of the things that makes it so dangerous is that when it ruptures it throws jagged pieces everywhere. Good luck.

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Larry E

07-20-2004 19:23:42




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 Re: Re: How should I build an air line? in reply to Wayne, 07-20-2004 19:14:49  
Copper is the only to go .but if you cannot solder forget it.Copper is the easiest and not much more than steel pipe.It also makes a neater looking job.



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T_Bone

07-21-2004 03:15:52




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 Re: Re: Re: How should I build an air line? in reply to Larry E, 07-20-2004 19:23:42  
Hi Brad,

CU, type k, makes a fine air piping system. Looks good, strong and will handle 1000psi plus depending on installation method.

I like using Harris 15% silver solder, about $22/lb, as it's viberation resistant and strong.

Clean the pipe with 80grit emery paper and the pipe fittings with a fitting wire brush. NO acid is required. Use Oxy/Acet torch with a "O" size tip with a slightly reducing flame.

Heat the joint with a medium flame until the solder will flow, then move the flame towards the rear of the joint thus sucking in the liquid solder thru out the joint. Add enough solder until a slight solder dimple forms at the bottom of the joint seam, then stop as the joint is full.

Run the main line at a 1/8" drop per 12" of run and take the "T" drops off from the TOP of the main line run with a 6" drain at the end of each vertical drop. Use a flex connection to the main line from the compressor, hydraulic hose works well.

A well designed piping system equals more usable CFM you will have by using the least amount of pipe fittings possible to get the job done.

T_Bone

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pg

07-21-2004 14:10:49




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: How should I build an air line? in reply to T_Bone, 07-21-2004 03:15:52  
i suggest using galvinized pipe. will take all the abuse you can dish out. copper is ok, but not as heavy duty for shop use. cutting and threading is easy. put a boiler drain on the drops and you can drain out any water. run a big enough line from the compressor to give yourself plenty of volume. have done this many times. cant go wrong with the galvinized. it will out last all of us. pg

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