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Dennis

07-14-2004 05:43:54




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I am building an arena on heavy clay soil with a slight slope, water runs off now. What would you use to build it up and how thick should it be. Thanks for info from those who've done it before.




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Gary inh Colorado

07-15-2004 21:49:11




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 Re: OT Horse arena in reply to Dennis, 07-14-2004 05:43:54  
Hey!
Don't know where you are at, but once used a round pen filled with sawdust (pine). It had decomposed to some extent over a years period, and it was slicker than greased owl droppings. My personal preference is sand. this area is predominately a clay base, with little rainfall. So an arena is pretty good with it just being worked (disced or whatever). I'd love to have an arena with about 4' to 6 " of sand though.

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Rusty Scupper

07-15-2004 11:51:59




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 Re: OT Horse arena in reply to Dennis, 07-14-2004 05:43:54  
Good topic...I am in the process of building one as well. Around here they use sand (pit run). I would be concerned with bark because it holds and encourages molds. Also, horses are alergic to black walnut. Mixing in rubber sounds like a good idea...just not sure where to get it.

In dry weather a friend of ours gets salt from the hwy dept and spreads it on top to hold down dust. Very inexpensive and does the job.

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Question - - Dee in mid M

07-15-2004 12:36:11




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 Re: Re: OT Horse arena in reply to Rusty Scupper, 07-15-2004 11:51:59  
just wondering if the salt is compatible with hoof health? Dee



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Greywolf

07-16-2004 03:23:38




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 Re: Re: Re: OT Horse arena in reply to Question - - Dee in mid M, 07-15-2004 12:36:11  
A very popular farrier I know in ND uses hiway salt as a top dressing for his indoor arena. Mainly so it doesn't freeze in the winter.

It doesn't take much salt to keep the dust down. In a 50' roundpen/indoor I use, 100# used one time has done a remarkable job throughout the entire winter.

Moderation is the key. Now if you were using the roundpen/arena also as a holding pen/paddock that the horses were in 24/7, might be a different situation.

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Ron

07-15-2004 13:40:18




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 Re: Re: Re: OT Horse arena in reply to Question - - Dee in mid M, 07-15-2004 12:36:11  
Most likely it's calcium chloride, not sodium chloride. In either case, horses don't need to be standing in salt. You might check with your vet but I know what mine would say.



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Dee in mid MO

07-15-2004 14:01:06




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: OT Horse arena in reply to Ron, 07-15-2004 13:40:18  
I agree - it did put up a red flag for me. I would not add salt. I would have to find alternatives to keep dust down. Dee



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benuk

07-14-2004 13:27:50




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 Re: OT Horse arena in reply to Dennis, 07-14-2004 05:43:54  
When we built ours, we had a hell of a lot of crushed concrete etc delivered, to raise the whole thing about 6 inches off the ground - best drainage ever!

Then a load of type 1 to create a decent, smooth and hard surface. Roll that down as hard as you can get it. If you can leave it for a couple of weeks to really settle, make sure it is still all even, and level out any areas that may have sunk. Then put a membrane over the top. Then 4 inches if sand, and 18 tonnes of shredded rubber - works a treat!

Keep it wet in the summer, and we find to make it really nice, grade it, then roll it, makes it firm but spongy - just what you want.

remember what you are trying to recreate - turf. Thats what horses work and jump best off, when the ground is right. The point of the arena is to have those ideal conditions all year round, whatever the weather. What im trying to say is dont make it just sand, you have to put constnt water on it to make it work and be a decent riding surface - not ideal if you are on clay!

Sand with rubber works real good, just buy the decent rubber that will sit on top as much ap poss, and ont mix in too much, although it needs to a bit

sorry for the long post!
Ben

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Big Bob

07-14-2004 12:56:50




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 Re: OT Horse arena in reply to Dennis, 07-14-2004 05:43:54  
My wife is a horse vet of some 20 years and we are just building a new riding ring, not an arena, but have been investigating all the different choices. You are in a good spot with your clay. The principle, as outlined in one of two websites referenced in the posts below, is to build up from your clay base with a good layer of gravel and place sand on top. You can shape the clay to a run-off point and thus provide proper drainage under the gravel. The sand acts as the cushion for the horses over the gravel. (Chips are just plain messy once they combine with the gravel.) This solution should also provide sufficient moisture (coming up from the clay) to keep the sand more dust free. Dust is a real problem on an outdoor ring during dry weather. Again, you are in a pretty good position with your clay. I wish I had your problem.

No matter whose opinion you choose, the principle is like any other building excavation one: Spend your time and money getting your drainage figured out; put good gravel on top in sufficient depth for the water to drain down through it; add to this basic principle the notion that a horse needs a cushion for continuous work on the surface: the top surface then becomes just a simple choice applied to basic building strategy. My experience from looking at succesful arenas and rings is sand. Remember that you'll need a rig of some kind to keep that sand smooth but if you are already on this site you undoubtedly already are looking forward to that part, always looking for an excuse to run an old tractor. Enjoy your new arena.

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Ron

07-14-2004 09:41:28




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 Re: OT Horse arena in reply to Dennis, 07-14-2004 05:43:54  
Been there, done that.

First, don't use sand or wood chips. Wood chips are organic and decompose over time and will leave a surface that looks like prairie dogs lived there. Not what you want around horses.

If you really need fill, call your gravel dude. They use clay as a binder for road gravel. They will sell you the same clay you now have which is what you want.



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Dell (WA)

07-14-2004 06:07:35




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 Re: OT Horse arena in reply to Dennis, 07-14-2004 05:43:54  
Dennis..... ....DON'T USE SAND!!! it turns clay into cement!!! USE WOOD-CHIPS. Out here, they've banned burning so the tree outfits haffta chip their wood trimmings. Contact a landscape outfit. Usually they're looking for places to "free dump" their chips. Incorporate the wood chips into the base soil will turn your clay into a sponge..... ..Dell



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Dee in mid MO

07-14-2004 12:28:35




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 Re: Re: OT Horse arena in reply to Dell (WA), 07-14-2004 06:07:35  
Not all wood chips are good for horses' feet - especially black walnut. If I don't know what is in the chips - I do NOT use them. See this article: >Link

As>Link far as footing, I found this on the internet:
http://www.horsekeeping.com/horse_facilities/footing_1.htm I agree that if you do not have the right mixture on top-- you may have a problem. Perhaps contacting the nearest Ag extension office, or the closest veterinarian university may be helpful if you can't find anyone in your locale. My 2cents. Dee

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