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Mike S

06-14-2004 08:41:38




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On a residential AC unit, there are two tubes that go from the condenser into the house unit and evaporator. Am I right thinking that the small tube is high pressure and the big tube with the insulation on it is the low pressure one?




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R Bedell

06-15-2004 15:08:52




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 Re: AC freon R22 in reply to Mike S, 06-14-2004 08:41:38  
T Bone is correct in his explain BUT 90% of all A/C utitize a Capillary Tube or Piston Orifice. TEV are usually found on high end jobs.

Icing of the Evaporator falls into one of two situations, Low on Refrigerant or Low on Air.

I would check the air flow first. Blower up to speed..?? Air Filters...?? Closed off supply or return grills...?? a few things to check. If it is low on refrigerant, then there is a leak and a qualified HVAC Service Tech is needed.

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Mike S

06-15-2004 17:33:49




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 Re: Re: AC freon R22 in reply to R Bedell, 06-15-2004 15:08:52  
Hmm. Well, I checked the air flow and it has a new filter and the fan blades are pretty clean. Fan was just installed about 18 months ago and the guy we bought the house from said the serviceman really cleaned the blades and housing. No vents are closed and when the unit is running and the coil is not frozen up, all the vents put out good air flow. I will try and call another service company tomorrow and see if one can come quicker than 3 weeks. Otherwise I might take the plunge. Thanks to everyone for the responses.

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R Bedell

06-15-2004 07:59:56




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 Re: AC freon R22 in reply to Mike S, 06-14-2004 08:41:38  
In reference to the A/C Unit, the larger of the two lines is the "suction" or return line to your compressor. The smaller line is the "liquid" line going to your Evaporator.

When the system is shut down, the pressures will equalize so that both the hi-side and lo-side will be equal.

There are a lot of variables, but a good "ball park" figure is: at a 70 degree ambient (for the compressor) a typical system pressure would be: 70# on the lo-side and about 225# on the hi-side for R-22.

R Bedell
HVAC/R Tech

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Fred P

06-14-2004 08:56:09




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 Re: AC freon R22 in reply to Mike S, 06-14-2004 08:41:38  
That is right when the unit is cooling. They are both high when it is heating.



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Mike S

06-14-2004 10:41:20




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 Re: Re: AC freon R22 in reply to Fred P, 06-14-2004 08:56:09  
Sense I have a gas furnace, why would both lines read high when they are not cooling?



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RandyB

06-14-2004 13:59:50




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 Re: Re: Re: AC freon R22 in reply to Mike S, 06-14-2004 10:41:20  
When the compressor is not running, the lines will be equal with a static pressure. That is why you have a compressor to start with if there was a low and high pressure with out a compressor running you would have a great free cooling system.



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T_Bone

06-14-2004 12:59:01




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 Re: Re: Re: AC freon R22 in reply to Mike S, 06-14-2004 10:41:20  
Hi Mike,

Please don't take this the wrong way. You have already asked two questions that tells me you have never worked on a refrigeration system.

If the system is not recharged correct it will cost you more than a service call for a qualified tech to solve the problem you created, letting air in the system, overcharging the system, etc;

If the system needs refrigerant (freon is a Dupont trade name) then there is a leak in the system that needs repaired.

In this case it will be cheaper to call a qulified service tech.

T_Bone

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Mike S

06-15-2004 04:42:23




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: AC freon R22 in reply to T_Bone, 06-14-2004 12:59:01  
No offence taken. I am a tinkerer. I will tackle just about anything. I have tried calling a serviceman, but they are all booked up for the next few weeks. I have done all sorts of work over the years doing repairs to AC units and furnances short of replacing a compressor or putting in freon, which I have done in cars, a lot. I figure I can give this a shot and if I pay close attention, I just might get some cooling. If not, then the serviceman, when he does show up, can fix what I did wrong and get a down payment on a new truck.

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RandyB

06-15-2004 07:00:39




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: AC freon R22 in reply to Mike S, 06-15-2004 04:42:23  
Mike what are the symptons of your trouble compressor not running or running and not cooling? Just curious why you have gone to checking pressures right away. There are a lot of problems that could be happening other than loss of freon. You ask about pressure with system not running if it runs what is the high and low pressure? Get your billfold out for theAC guy.



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Mike S

06-15-2004 10:28:48




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: AC freon R22 in reply to RandyB, 06-15-2004 07:00:39  
Unit is freezing up at the A-coil and the smaller line is freezing just as it enters the furnace housing. I turn off the AC, then just let the fan blow for a while and the A-coil unfreezes. I can then turn the unit back on and it will put out some cool air for a while until it freezes up again.



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Bob

06-15-2004 10:44:22




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: AC freon R22 in reply to Mike S, 06-15-2004 10:28:48  
If it is freezing just at the small liquid line area, it is a sign of low refrigerant charge. If a large area of the coil is freezing, it is a sign of low airflow. Have you checked closely for lint and debris buildup on the inlet side of the coil? Check for a dirty fan blade, or a fan that is not running up to speed (loose belt, if belt driven, or bad fan speed switching relay... cold air is harder to move than heated air, so most central heating/A/C systems run the fan faster when cooling.)

Check for closed registers, or any other restrictions to airflow in the duct system.

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T_Bone

06-15-2004 13:23:09




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: AC freon R22 in reply to Bob, 06-15-2004 10:44:22  
Hi Mike,

This is probably thermostatic expansion valve malfunction problem.

The simple refrigeration process: is where a high pressure liquid refrigerant is forced thru a small orifice where the liquid quickly expands into a gas and at the same time drops pressure thus droping temperature, the refrigerating effect.

All refrigerant has a temperature pressure relationship. As the temperature changes so does the pressure and visa versa. Example: R22 @ 100�= 196psig and at 50�=84psig or the sensible heat (total heat content) refrigerating effect equals 112�

The expansion valve in this case, is a controlling variable orifice that I was talking about and throttles a given design amount of liquid refrigerant into evaporator. It uses a sensing blub on mounted the evaporator to modulate the varible orifice to control the amount of liquid refrigerant into the evaporator.

Either the expansion valved has failed or has a loose sensing blub (not likely) as it's letting too much refrigerant into the evaporator at one time thus flooding the evaporator (A-coil) causing it too ice and at the same time starving the expansion valve inlet line where the line is getting flash over gas inside the line thus icing the outside of the line.

This could also cause liquid refrigerant to be returned back to the compressor that could cause the compressor valves to break, hence my warning about adding refrigerant to a unkown problem. If the suction line on the compressor is frosting then liquid refrigerant is being returned to the compressor and your taking a gamble that the valves don't break.

T_Bone

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Bob

06-15-2004 13:36:36




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: AC freon R22 in reply to T_Bone, 06-15-2004 13:23:09  
Many residential central A/C sytems do not have expansion valves. They use several capillary tubes to split the refrigerant flow to several circuits in the evaporator.



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