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Concrete grinder vs cap

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John A (TX)

06-01-2004 14:28:58




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Well, no, I'm not very happy with the surface of a 24x24 slab I just poured. Setup before I could get it floated. It's screeded but that's about it. So .. am looking into a couple of alternatives to smooth it: (a) concrete grinder or (b) cap on top of slab.

On concrete grinder, anyone have any experience? Feller at the rental place did say that the concrete should be fully cured before using the grinder.

If I try to cap it, I'd like to go as thin as possible (so adjacent slab isn't off as much) and still be able to drive on it.

Any thoughts on either alternative will be appreciated.

BTW, tried an archive search so I wouldn't have to admit all this, but the search function's evidently broken, at least temporarily.

Thanks in advance ..
John A (TX) .. who's NOT going into the concrete finishing bidness!

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jhill

06-05-2004 13:17:52




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 Re: Concrete grinder vs cap in reply to John A (TX), 06-01-2004 14:28:58  
My dad said that back in the fifties they used to pour garage floors in to layers. The first xas 2 inches thick and had a lot of gravel fot strength. The next day they poured another 2 inch layerwhic was rich with sand to get a nice finish. I know where some of those floors are and they are still going strong.

You need to find out if the cement company is pouring road curbs the same day as you are. they use chloride to make the concrete set up faster. I have seen 2 floors ruined because the residual chloride in the mixure caused the concrete to set up too fast.

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On residual chloride - Th

06-06-2004 18:49:09




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 Re: Re: Concrete grinder vs cap in reply to jhill, 06-05-2004 13:17:52  
Interesting notes about curb concrete having a higher chloride content. I'll make a point of asking about that next time.

Thanks for taking the time to reply!

John A (TX)



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Robert

06-02-2004 10:44:05




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 Re: Concrete grinder vs cap in reply to John A (TX), 06-01-2004 14:28:58  
I'm not real happy with the way my 20'x30' turned out, either. I tried using a grout mix with a bonding agent to smooth up some areas, but found it was too slow and didn't add much to the appearance.
My problem was: too big an area, too small a mixer, and not enough experienced help, although I had enough "warm, willing, bodies" for the project.
With all that said, I've heard that there's a product available at Home Depot that you supposedly can apply with a squegee for this type of problem, but, that it's expensive. The other option is to have some type of epoxy coating applied that will withstand traffic, and look uniform.
As for me, I'll learn to live with my efforts. It's too late to start over.

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Thx, Robert

06-02-2004 11:16:30




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 Re: Re: Concrete grinder vs cap in reply to Robert, 06-02-2004 10:44:05  
On the resurfacer available at Home Depot, yep, pretty expensive: around $22+ per bag (covers 40 sq ft at 1/16" thk)

I sure might end up learning to live with it but not ready to throw in the towel quite yet. (Actually, I could probably live with it ok, but Her Royal Fluffiness has a different opinion!)

Thx again, Robert
~ja



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Hayman

06-02-2004 08:35:20




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 Re: Concrete grinder vs cap in reply to John A (TX), 06-01-2004 14:28:58  
I have had success by mixing equal portions of cement and sand.I then put a good portion of Weldbond white glue in the mixing water. Just before placing the mix I brushed slightly thinned Weldbond glue directly on the concrete.I used this at the new entrance to a store 20 years ago and it is still good even where it is feathered out.



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John A (TX)

06-02-2004 11:10:27




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 Re: Re: Concrete grinder vs cap in reply to Hayman, 06-02-2004 08:35:20  
Hayman, thx for the suggestion. How thick did you apply the grout? In my case, I think I'd have to apply it at least 1/2" to smooth out the irregularities. Not sure it would hold up to the weight of a vehicle, tho maybe it would.

Anyway .. thx again. I'll check it out.

~ja



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Hayman

06-02-2004 13:41:13




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 Re: Re: Re: Concrete grinder vs cap in reply to John A (TX), 06-02-2004 11:10:27  
1/2" should be fine.I had to flush up to a threshhold on a general store door and it went from about one inch thick feathered out to nothing.



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txblu

06-02-2004 06:07:18




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 Re: Concrete grinder vs cap in reply to John A (TX), 06-01-2004 14:28:58  
Gotta tell this.

Had a friend who did a room on the back of the house. Didn't want the concrete truck to mess up his yard so he left him at the curb. Wheelbarrowed the stuff to the rear of the house alone. You will not believe the surface roughness on that floor. It was unbelieveable, well maybe believeable when you think that he was so busy hauling he had no time for finishing. The room was unihabitable.

I usually do all the prep work and get a contractor, with crew, AND A CONNECTION TO THE CONCRETE COMPANY.....TO GET DELIVERY. I go to where they are building houses and get a crew to schedule my job after their day job (moonlighting). Get pretty reasonable prices that way.

So we were pouring a slab at my house and a strong cold front came in that day. The contractor didn't order calcium in it and we were out there till after midnight trying to trowel it down as it wouldn't set-up.

Problem with a cap is chipping in a couple of years (have seen it). Grinding will take awhile and you need a good respirator, plus it looks ground, doesn't match normal concrete cause you grind into the rocks and the other has the Portland floated to the top (smooth gray).

Mark

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John A (TX)

06-02-2004 11:06:54




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 Re: Re: Concrete grinder vs cap in reply to txblu, 06-02-2004 06:07:18  
Hi, Mark. It's never easy, is it? Too cold, too hot, too wet, etc etc. I sure agree with you on hiring help. We've got a certain street corner here in town where day labor can always be found, and I considered it. Then I thought "Nah, this is such a small job we won't have any trouble!" Famous last words.

Am leaning towards trying the grinder first - the different coloring doesn't bother me near as much as the uneven surface. As someone else suggested, can always cap it later if necessary.

Thx again for the reply.
~ja

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Ron

06-01-2004 16:15:54




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 Re: Concrete grinder vs cap in reply to John A (TX), 06-01-2004 14:28:58  
Years ago I had a small area capped. They used some type of binder before they poured the cap. Worked well but pros did it.

If the entire area is above the adjacent slab, wait 30 days for the concrete to cure and grind it. Wear eye and nose protection. You'll be spitting dust for weeks. If it doesn't turn out you can always have it capped.

In the future, you can tell your concrete supplier to adjust the mix so you have much more time to work with the pour. I noticed you are in TX and if it was hot when you poured, the extra time might have prevented the problem.

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John A (TX)

06-02-2004 11:02:10




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 Re: Re: Concrete grinder vs cap in reply to Ron, 06-01-2004 16:15:54  
Thanks, Ron. Yep, it was around 93-94, with high humidity, when we poured. Biggest problem was my poor planning when I did my pour planning! Should have had 2-3 more helpers plus, as you suggested, should have asked for a slower mix.

Am still pondering the options (none of which look easy and/or cheap, dangit!)

Thanks again ..
~ja



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thurlow

06-01-2004 16:00:21




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 Re: Concrete grinder vs cap in reply to John A (TX), 06-01-2004 14:28:58  
John, something similar was discussed on page 3 of this site..... .look for "rain on fresh concrete".



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John A (TX)

06-02-2004 10:57:26




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 Re: Re: Concrete grinder vs cap in reply to thurlow, 06-01-2004 16:00:21  
Thanks for pointing me back to the previous discussion. Looks like some of the suggestions are similar to the ones being posted here. That resurfacer from Home Depot (by Quik-krete, I think) is expensive!

~ja



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