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new Stihl chainsaw or used one?

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Lynn Kasdorf

05-25-2004 07:58:48




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Last fall I bought a new Stihl chainsaw- I think it was a model MS310- the next model up from a Farm Boss, with a 20" bar and the aggressive chain. I paid $363 at a local shop. This saw was an absolute dream to use.

Well, it seems to have grown legs. I've been having a lot of rennovation work done around the farm and a lot of questionable individuals have been on the property.

I want to get another Stihl- but my question is this. Are the newer series like the MS310 or the MS290 farm boss any better than the somewhat older models like the 029? I've seen an 029 with 20" bar advertised used for $200. I wonder if this would be as good as my 310? The newer ones have the "intellicarb" and other buzzwords...

I just don't know enough about the various stihl models to know which models are particularly good or bad. All I know is that the one that was stolen was a fantastic saw, and beat the pants off my little 16" Poulan POS (which they didn't steal, dang them...)

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iceman

06-04-2004 07:51:45




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 Re: new Stihl chainsaw or used one? in reply to Lynn Kasdorf, 05-25-2004 07:58:48  
just saw a TV infomercial from stihl. They have this new recoil start mechanism with two springs. You pull the cord slow to wind the spring,when the cord is all the way out it releases the spring to spin the motor. No effort at all. Looked really good to me...mike



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John Green

06-17-2004 16:21:16




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 Re: Re: new Stihl chainsaw or used one? in reply to iceman, 06-04-2004 07:51:45  
The new Stihl "Easy2Start" system is, I believe, available on only one model, the MS 210 C.



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jeff

05-26-2004 17:40:04




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 Re: new Stihl chainsaw or used one? in reply to Lynn Kasdorf, 05-25-2004 07:58:48  
There are always lots off opinions when it comes to saws new and used. I have a bunch of used McCulloch saws and all of them are 4hp and more. If you are a good mechanic you can rebuild almost anything and save tons of money. The saws I love are mac 610/650 saws. These are big and powerful and work VERY well. The biggest trouble with old saws is that people leave old crap gas in them. The carbs get messed up and that is all she wrote. Carb kits go for around $8.oo and I have rebuilt at least 50 of them. The 610 saw was $300.oo in 1983 and the 650 was $400.oo. Today a saw like the 650 with compression release and that much power would be in the $500.oo + range, and I would only go with Husky or Sthil/Johnsored. The used saws I have worked over and sold to friends have bin fantastic and people can't get over what a full chisel chain will do. Hot knife through butter ain't even close! Always clean the grove in your bar EVERY time you remove the chain. There is a little tool for this and is only a couple of bucks. When you see what it looks like you can make one out of an old table knife and throw it in your saw tool box. This is the only way they get oil to the chain. NEVER cut wood with dirt, sand, Etc. on it.The next door neighbor had a small stump about 16 inches across and asked me if I would cut it out. He dug down and washed it with a hose so it was clean. I start cutting with a big 650 and half way through the chain stops cutting. The stump underneath had sand up in the root and we didn't see it. A $20.oo chain is now like a Slinky! Totaled it in less than 30 seconds. Sand is killer! Also any time you cut dry wood you must flood the chain with oil to keep it cool.Cut for a minute or two and then SHUT OFF the saw. Feel the chain with your hand and see how hot it is. You should be able to keep your fingers on it. If it gets hot , by-by to the temper and the chain is now junk. There is a special chain for dry wood with a very shallow angle of attack. Check a good Sthil dealer out for these chains. Another thing I would get the set of buck teeth for your saw. These make it very easy to hang on and keep the saw in the cut. Lots of information you most likely know but others can read and learn some stuff. Just think... some day if you realy want to see how big it can get try a Sthil 066 0r o88 saw. They are 6.1 and 8.3 hp each.I have an old Partner P100 and it goes at 6.1hp and weight is 21lbs. for just the power head. Cuts like a light saber! Have fun Jeff

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Michael Shannon

06-24-2004 03:37:05




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 Re: Re: new Stihl chainsaw or used one? in reply to jeff, 05-26-2004 17:40:04  
Enjoyed the site, I am a retired American living in Australia. I misplaced the booklet that came with my Sthil 031 av chainsaw (over thirty years old) I am trying to give it a tune up and cannot distinguish between the high end needle valve and the low end. when I rev it up in the cut it bogs down and quits can you help me ? Michael Shannon



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andy b.

05-26-2004 09:34:15




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 Re: new Stihl chainsaw or used one? in reply to Lynn Kasdorf, 05-25-2004 07:58:48  
i'd agree with the other replies about buying a used chainsaw. maybe if you knew the previous owner it would be okay, but otherwise you could end up paying more for repairs than if you had just purchased a new saw. i bought an 026 about six years ago and that little bugger kicks butt. i just went with the 16" bar and it works fine on trees up to about 22" or so. any bigger and you really need a bigger saw anyway. my dad has a 30-year-old Farm Boss that still runs great, but it doesn't have the anti-vibration features like the newer ones and really starts making your hands feel "fuzzy" after an hour or so.
as others stated, the even number saws are the "professional" models. i believe they are totally rebuildable, whereas the odd number saws have a different cylinder construction and not all the features of the even saws. (by even i mean 026/260 and odd is 029/290 for example). if you aren't going to use the saw on a regular basis, the odd models are fine. my brother-in-law and one of my neighbors have the odd models and they don't have any trouble with them.

andy b.

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Old Time Farmer

05-26-2004 09:21:55




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 Re: new Stihl chainsaw or used one? in reply to Lynn Kasdorf, 05-25-2004 07:58:48  
I've had several Stihl saws, including a 029 Farm Boss. I've bought some saws new from my local Stihl dealer, and quite a few at auction sales second-hand.

I tend to agree with those who say that the older Stihl saws were a bit more durable and well-made than the current Stihl saws, but Stihl still makes good saws. I bought an MS360 Pro new last year, and it is a great saw. (Stihl now makes a 361 instead of the 360.) Lots of other good saws around as well (Husqvarna, Shindaiwa, Jonesred, even the old "blue" Homelites).

The MS-Pro Stihl chain saws are quite a bit more expensive than Farm Boss or odd-numbered models. For example, I think the price difference between a 250 and a 260 Pro is over $100. Depends on how much you are going to use the saw and how important a better power-to-weight ratio is to you. Lots of people buy too much saw for what they need. (I was in a guy's garage once and saw a nearly new Stihl 088 with a 36" bar. Asked him if he was planning to do some logging (Knew the guy was from the city) and he told me he bought it to cut firewood but saw was too heavy!)

People can and do misuse and abuse chainsaws in a variety of ways; mostly by not using the saw properly and by lack of routine maintenance. I wouldn't totally rule out buying a second-hand saw, though. You wouldn't believe how many people buy saws, use them once or twice (or not at all) and then the saw just sits in a garage or shed. Lots of people decide that saws are too heavy, noisy, etc. or that they need money, and want to part with them. Spring and early-summer are "off" times for chainsaw sales, and you can get good buys on used saws.

If you plan to use the saw a fair amount and can afford it, I'd look at a 260 or 360/361 Stihl. If you are on a tighter budget and can stand a lower power-to-weight ratio, I'd look at a 310 or 290.

If it were me, I'd look on ebay and check local auctions, garage sales, and what not. If you spend $150-$200 on a used saw, you can spend a little to have it tuned up, buy a new chain and still be ahead.

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Ron

05-26-2004 09:16:59




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 Re: new Stihl chainsaw or used one? in reply to Lynn Kasdorf, 05-25-2004 07:58:48  
If you really liked the saw you had, get another new one. But you might want to test drive a Jonsered. My dealer lets you take them home and use them first. I bought one many years ago and still have it. Less hand-numbing vibration than a Stihl and at least as powerful. Get real loggers chain instead of that dumb anti-kickback chain the government makes them sell with the saw and you will like yours as much as I like mine.

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Shane

05-26-2004 18:26:11




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 Re: Re: new Stihl chainsaw or used one? in reply to Ron, 05-26-2004 09:16:59  
Good point about that anti-kick chain! I hate it! If you need that you shouldn't be running a saw!



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John Green

06-17-2004 17:05:12




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 Re: Re: Re: new Stihl chainsaw or used one? in reply to Shane, 05-26-2004 18:26:11  
I would recommend Oregon chains, BTW.



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JP

05-26-2004 08:15:20




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 Re: new Stihl chainsaw or used one? in reply to Lynn Kasdorf, 05-25-2004 07:58:48  
The best saw I ever had my hand on was a Redmax saw. It is a division of Komatsu, it has the best power to weight ratio of any saw I have ever had or used. Low vibration, high RPM saw, cuts good, quick. Had a Stihl once, 017, would not have another one, unless I could find an old 028, they are a good saw, lot of vibration though. MS 260-360 are not too bad



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ray

05-26-2004 08:41:58




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 Re: Re: new Stihl chainsaw or used one? in reply to JP, 05-26-2004 08:15:20  
Stick with the even series Stihls. In my area you can get good deals on used saws. Usually its a homeowner that bought a saw to clear a building lot etc..and is trying to recoup some cash.



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JP

05-27-2004 06:11:40




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 Re: Re: Re: new Stihl chainsaw or used one? in reply to ray, 05-26-2004 08:41:58  
I will put my Redmax against any Stihl saw you want to compare it to.



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Joe (Wa)

05-27-2004 19:49:42




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: new Stihl chainsaw or used one? in reply to JP, 05-27-2004 06:11:40  
Oh yeah!!! I'll betcha the 20" bar on my 346xp Husqvarna is longer than the 20" bar on your Redmax!!!

Joe



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JP

05-30-2004 08:59:44




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: new Stihl chainsaw or used one in reply to Joe (Wa), 05-27-2004 19:49:42  
:) good point.



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Joe (Wa)

05-30-2004 10:34:29




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: new Stihl chainsaw or used in reply to JP, 05-30-2004 08:59:44  
Awwww JP, I thought you were starting a chainsaw color war with that post. I need some practice.

I got in the middle of one on a chainsaw forum last fall when I first bought the 346xp. Man, those guys made mince meat outa me. You can probably figure out why considering my response to your post.

Joe



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JP

06-02-2004 14:16:39




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: new Stihl chainsaw or in reply to Joe (Wa), 05-30-2004 10:34:29  
I figure one of these days all the people buying Stihl because of name will go the saem way that McCulloch and Homelite have went, because Stihl is going that way. There are 2 farm & home stores around here selliing them. Husqvarna saws are not bad, but personally I would not have a Stihl as a gift.



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Joe (Wa)

06-04-2004 12:27:37




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: new Stihl chainsaw in reply to JP, 06-02-2004 14:16:39  
We are in agreement on Stihl, I think you hit the nail on the head. This is logging country. I tell the locals that ask permission to hunt my property that there is a free low hour 029 Stihl laying down in the woods where I flung it when the 3rd pump failed. Two hunting seasons later it's still there last time I looked.

I am going to have to lug it up to the road, put a "for sale $50" sign on it. Some idiot will hopefully steal it after dark. Probably sue me for tempting them to steal junk like that.

Joe

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BrokenFences

05-26-2004 04:28:58




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 Re: new Stihl chainsaw or used one? in reply to Lynn Kasdorf, 05-25-2004 07:58:48  
Sorry to be the lone dissenting voice, but I own 2 Stihls currently. I bought both used, an 044 and 066. I sold my (bought used) 029 farmboss and 025 as I found the bigger saws. That said I'd never own an 025 new or used. A tip: the 029 was purchased at a stihl service rental center used for 150.00, with a handshake guarantee that it was ok. It was a great saw.



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MarkB

05-25-2004 19:37:35




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 Re: new Stihl chainsaw or used one? in reply to Lynn Kasdorf, 05-25-2004 07:58:48  
There's no significant difference between the old models and the new models; just a name change. MS290=029, etc. I would be hesitant to buy a used chainsaw, and the new ones aren't that expensive (as long as you can hang onto them).

My experience with the 029 is not that great; it's heavy and not particularly well made. If I buy another Stihl, it will be the MS260 or MS360. These are lighter than the MS290 and MS390 (respectively), but put out the same power.

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Lynn Kasdorf

05-25-2004 20:39:35




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 Re: Re: new Stihl chainsaw or used one? in reply to MarkB, 05-25-2004 19:37:35  
I was at a small engine shop and happen to ask the counter guy what model stihls he liked.

He said that pretty much the even numbered models are a better grade than the odd (using the old number scheme). So an 028 is better than an 029.

Your comments about the ms260 or ms360 are in line with what he said.

Yup- whatever I get, gotta lock it up!



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Shane

05-26-2004 18:22:07




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 Re: Re: Re: new Stihl chainsaw or used one? in reply to Lynn Kasdorf, 05-25-2004 20:39:35  
You are correct about the numbering system. The odds are regular (heavy duty!) use saws. The evens are pro series saws, same power but much lighter, a bit different piston I think, and more expensive. I have an 029 farmboss, awesome awesome saw but it is a bit heavy but I am a big guy so it doesn't bother me. I got it off EBAY from a guy named "goosehunter(from-iowa)" it was a great saw barely used and I got it for half of new. But with anything off EBAY you have to be careful what you buy! If you do a lot of cutting get an MS360, serious saw there!!

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Van in AR

06-03-2004 05:21:18




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: new Stihl chainsaw or used one? in reply to Shane, 05-26-2004 18:22:07  
True to a point, all even numbered saws are not PRO saws even though they are better quality than the odds. A example is a 260, there is a "standard" 260 and a PRO 260. The PRO has a adjustable oiler and the standard doesn't, also the PRO is a tad lighter and the power is turned up a little. Most parts interchange.
Van



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John Green

06-17-2004 17:17:17




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: new Stihl chainsaw or used one in reply to Van in AR, 06-03-2004 05:21:18  
Also, the 260 Pro has a decompression valve (starts easier).



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Joe (Wa)

05-25-2004 17:18:24




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 Re: new Stihl chainsaw or used one? in reply to Lynn Kasdorf, 05-25-2004 07:58:48  
Chainsaws can be screwed up in so many ways by so many people that I wouldn't buy a used one on a bet.

Buy a good new pro saw, take care of it, lock it up. Don't loan it out to anyone, not even your mother. Buy a throwaway for a loaner.

I've had a new 029, it was the worse saw I have ever owned. Yes mine was a lemon, but in my opinion, the best 029 ever made was only a good saw and it's all down hill from there.

Joe

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Indydirtfarmer

05-25-2004 09:20:04




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 Re: new Stihl chainsaw or used one? in reply to Lynn Kasdorf, 05-25-2004 07:58:48  
I've always bought cheap-o chainsaws. Whatever was on sale. About 2 years ago, I borrowed a Stihl saw. WOW! I never knew there was so much difference. Last fall, I decided to buy one for myself. I bought a Stihl MS260. It is truly the finest saw I've ever had the pleasure of running. Smooth, powerfull, lightweight, and does it ever cut! I paid $525 for the saw, 2 extra chains, a sharpening "kit", and a six-pack of oil. I bought it with a 20" bar. Last week, my shop was broken into. The saw was taken. That was the first thing I thought of when I discovered the lock cut off. Since then, the police found my stuff, and the saw was returned. I am happy! John

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teamjunkyard

05-25-2004 21:24:03




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 Re: Re: new Stihl chainsaw or used one? in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 05-25-2004 09:20:04  
buy new,, ya only live once, why wast it friggin around with some one elses headache.I used to. nothing nicer than a new saw,, stihl or husky.cheaper brand saws tend to have more vibration through the handle.



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