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Argon Cylinder Testing ,,Age limit??

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Dave

05-22-2004 04:07:07




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Hello went to my local industrial gas dealer the other day and he told me my Argon cylinder i had was to old,he would not even test it ,,just wanted me to buy a new one ,,is there a age limit on them?? Also this cylinder had the name of the previous company before the new Company bought it and he says since its not thier cylinder they have no obligation in the matter ?? anyone have a similar story??

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T_Bone

05-23-2004 18:23:44




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 Re: Argon Cylinder Testing ,,Age limit?? in reply to Dave, 05-22-2004 04:07:07  
Hi Dave,

I got nailed with this a couple years ago. Liquid Aire (my cylinder) was renamed Aire Liquid thus they would not refill my cylinder.

What got me they didn't even hide the fact with just switching the name around.

I ended up buying a new cylinder, $165 full AR, 220cft.

Gees that burnt me but there was nothing I could do as I made a few calls.

T_Bone



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Farmer/Paul

05-23-2004 04:41:51




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 Re: Argon Cylinder Testing ,,Age limit?? in reply to Dave, 05-22-2004 04:07:07  
I worked at a gas cylinder manufacturing plant a few years back. As stated the cylinders are to be tested every 5/10 years depending on use. If the cylinder is stamped + it is rated for a 10% overfill. A * (star) indicates a hydro test every 10 years.

A gas cylinder has a life cycle of about 20,000 fills (from 0/psi to its rated pressure (2015 psi/2265 psi depending on its use) If the cylinder has no obvious damage to the body or neck ring; a hydro test should be all you need. Do not let them discard your cylinder.

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Rod M1

05-22-2004 19:29:14




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 Re: Argon Cylinder Testing ,,Age limit?? in reply to Dave, 05-22-2004 04:07:07  
My Argon is dated 1956 and I just traded it in about 6 months ago.



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david - OR

05-22-2004 18:00:35




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 Re: Argon Cylinder Testing ,,Age limit?? in reply to Dave, 05-22-2004 04:07:07  
Compressed gas cylinders are regulated by the Federal Department of Transportation. The required testing and life limit, if any, of a cylinder depends upon the type of cylinder, where it is used, and what it is filled with.

You can read the actual regulations many different places, but one web search turns up this site:

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The type of cylinder should be stamped into the body, somewhere near the neck. I expect you would have a DOT-3A or DOT-3AA cylinder. This is a medium wall steel cylinder rated for about 2000 PSI. Hydrostatic testing is reqired every 5 years, but this can be extended to 10 years if the cylinder is used for (amoung other things) argon, and is removed from the vehicle or rack each time it is refilled. The date of the last hydro test should be stamped into the top of the cylinder.

I don't believe there is any life limit on a DOT-3A cylinder used for argon, so long as it passes visual inspection. The cylinder can remain in service beyond its next required inspection, but before it can be refilled, it must have a current inspection.

Hydrostatic testing is not particularly expensive -- a typical MIG welder sized tank should cost about $25.00 to get inspected and stamped with a fresh date. You can find a hydro place by looking under "fire extinguishers" in the Yellow pages. Call a few, and ask them where to get your tank tested. Drop the tank off, come back in an hour, pay the $25.00, and you should be good to go for another 10 years.

Around here, you buy the first cylinder from the local welding gas company, and then exchange it for a (different) filled cylinder when you use up the contents. The supplier doesn't even check the hydro date on the cylinder you turn in, just rolls the cylinder over to the "outgoing cylinders to be refilled" area. There is always some risk of the "hot potato" effect -- getting stuck with an out of hydro cylinder -- so I always check the date on the replacement cylinder. But the local supplier just seems to eat the required inspections -- judging from their seeming indifference to the date on the turned in cylinder.

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Ol Chief

05-22-2004 15:56:55




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 Re: Argon Cylinder Testing ,,Age limit?? in reply to Dave, 05-22-2004 04:07:07  
I have no experience w/argon cylinders,however I think you should beware of a possible scam.Unless the law has changed gas cylinders require hydro testing at some specified intervals and are date stamped when tested.Several years ago I sent about 35 cyls. ashore from a ship for filling & testing.According to the gas supplier 12 cyls. did not pass.I was suspicious so I sent word to fill the good cyls. and return everything,good or bad.When the ship arrived at the next port the 12 so called bad cylinders were sent to a different supplier.They were found to be ok and were filled and returned.Had I agreed with the first assesment,the company would have had to purchase new cyls. for about $1200 at that time.Perhaps you may have a more satisfactory outcome if you go to an Industrial Gas supplier since it appears that you are the owner of the cylinder.If you are not the owner then it is a different matter.It should be easy to check this out. I own three sets of Oxyacet.cylinders and never have a problem with refills.Possibly your supplier does not have facilities to fill your Argon bottle.

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Mac

05-22-2004 11:24:09




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 Re: Argon Cylinder Testing ,,Age limit?? in reply to Dave, 05-22-2004 04:07:07  
Round here, they will only trade out cyls, no refills. Yearly rental contract for cyl.



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