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Kermit

09-27-2000 06:50:12




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To extend the life of the skid shoes on my sickle bar mower I'm thinking about hard surfacing the bottoms of the skids. I've never done this, but am willing to give it a try. I have a Miller arc welder. I assume I should ask the welding supply store for hard surfacing rods. Could anyone give instructions, hints, or advice on what to do? Thanks.




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Burrhead

09-29-2000 19:13:56




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 Re: Welding question. in reply to Kermit, 09-27-2000 06:50:12  
Kermit I hate to ask such a dumb question but what kind of ground are you using this sickle bar on??

I've got sickle bars by IHC and NH that are at least 35 yrs old and have had some heavy use through the years and we've never wore out the skid shoes.

We've got some of the hardest clay ground here you can imagine, but they have been used on sandy and about all mixtures in between.



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Burrhead

09-29-2000 19:13:00




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 Re: Welding question. in reply to Kermit, 09-27-2000 06:50:12  
Kermit I hate to ask such a dumb question but what kind of ground are you using this sickle bar on??

I've got sickle bars by IHC and NH that are at least 35 yrs old and have had some heavy use through the years and we've never wore out the skid shoes.

We've got some of the hardest clay ground here you can imagine.



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Steve U.S. Alloys

09-28-2000 09:02:00




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 Re: Welding question. in reply to Kermit, 09-27-2000 06:50:12  
Hi Kermit,
I would like to give you more info on this subject than is possible in this space.

In a nutshell, hardfacing is put down as cold as possible to avoid dilution of the weld metal with the base metal. The industry standard is 3 passes to overcome this when using a product such as chrome carbide.

The exception to this is a material that gets it's hardness from WC. (tungsten carbide) Tungsten cannot be welded to and therefore must be entrapped in a matrix. (This is analogous to an oil and chipped roadway where the chips are held in place by a matrix of tar.) WC material is limited to 1 pass to avoid the sinking of the WC particles into the matrix. The absolute best material for abrasion only type applications is WC. It is the last choice for combinations of impact and abrasion.

The best combination of material and process for resistance to abrasion is the WC applied with a torch. You have the hardest material applied with the most minimal dilution. The "Hot Process Torch"!

Another good approach to an application like yours is to go down to the nearest highway maintenance shed and get a piece of their old discarded snow plow inserts or grader blade and weld it in place with something like my #2200.

Using a proper facing pattern is key as well. If you create a checkerboard pattern, this will allow dirt and material to build up in the squares of the pattern and you will realize some better life. You have a little dirt on dirt action rather than metal on dirt wear.
Steve

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Ridge Runner

09-28-2000 05:21:04




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 Re: Welding question. in reply to Kermit, 09-27-2000 06:50:12  
why not try welding psrt of a car or truck spring to the bottom of the skid shoe. that may last alot longer than just hard surfacing.



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Scottks

09-27-2000 19:00:09




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 Re: Welding question. in reply to Kermit, 09-27-2000 06:50:12  

Do not try to build this rod up too much it will crack and fall off. All that I have used worked in a single pass. Maybe I tried to build up too fast and not cool enough between passes.
Scott



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Fred OH

09-28-2000 06:49:24




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 Re: Re: Welding question. in reply to Scottks, 09-27-2000 19:00:09  
Scott, use build up rod (Lincoln BU-90) if you need to multipass and keep hardcoat to single pass. More than one pass will be softer. Car spring makes good wear plate as they said. It is high carbon steel. You can hard coat it also. L8R----Fred OH



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Scottks

09-27-2000 18:53:19




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 Re: Welding question. in reply to Kermit, 09-27-2000 06:50:12  

Do not try to build this rod up too much it will crack and fall off. All that I have used worked in a single pass. Maybe I tried to build up too fast and not cool enough between passes.
Scott



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tim

09-27-2000 18:32:37




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 Re: Welding question. in reply to Kermit, 09-27-2000 06:50:12  
just follow amperage setting recommended with rod and weld stringers the same direction as it will rub that way it doesnt drag any harder. I have also used pieces of leaf springs for wear soles with excellent life from them.



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