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What about bubble-type tire balancers?

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Darren in TN

05-12-2004 06:45:08




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Hey, y'all.
You guys are awesome. I learned a boatload of info from all the responses to my tire mounting thread. What call y'all tell me about bubble-type tire balancers? I've seen a few for about $50 that are unpowered. I understand that this will give me a static balance, but not dynamic. Mostly I'll be doing tires for our passenger cars (commuters-- not race cars!) so do y'all think a bubble balancer will do a good job for a vehicle with R14 or R15 and topping out at around 70mph in everyday use on the highways? We do a good bit of driving-- about 50,000 miles a year.

I appreciate all the input. You guys are great.
Darren

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Nolan

05-13-2004 05:58:02




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 Re: What about bubble-type tire balancers? in reply to Darren in TN, 05-12-2004 06:45:08  
I use a bubble balancer with fine results. Even on my 8" wide rims, they had no vibration at speeds well over 100 mph. I find it interesting that circle track racers often use a bubble balance and not a dynamic one.

The most difficult problem I had/have is repeatability. Triangulation helps. As in instead of a 1oz weight located precisely, splitting it with two 1/2oz weights spread several inches apart. With just one weight, I have to be very accurate in the location of it. With two weights, it's not as sensitive.

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txblu

05-13-2004 09:55:24




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 Re: Re: What about bubble-type tire balancers? in reply to Nolan, 05-13-2004 05:58:02  
I agree. I didn't add that too as my snort was pretty long already.



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L arry El

05-12-2004 19:23:14




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 Re: What about bubble-type tire balancers? in reply to Darren in TN, 05-12-2004 06:45:08  
The best way is to balance on the vehicle,About 30 years ago there was a balancer fastened to wheel.Car was jacked up and engine was started and wheel turned .The balancing attachment had two knobs on it .One moved location of weight and other added or subtracted weight.This way was the best balance you could get.Don't know why they are not made anymore.



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txblu

05-13-2004 09:56:47




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 Re: Re: What about bubble-type tire balancers? in reply to L arry El, 05-12-2004 19:23:14  
I have a couple of guesses.

1. Required lots of time and very experienced operator.

2. Required lots of..... .....



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Greywolf

05-13-2004 04:20:11




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 Re: Re: What about bubble-type tire balancers? in reply to L arry El, 05-12-2004 19:23:14  
The one that I used at the shop I worked at in the 70's had 4. Macro and micro movements, and weight and location.

Still wish I could find one of those somewhere. Course it would be for nostalgia only, don't drag race anymore.



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Robert

05-13-2004 06:06:31




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 Re: Re: Re: What about bubble-type tire balancers? in reply to Greywolf, 05-13-2004 04:20:11  
When I read the threads on the old style dynamic balancers, I was reminded of a time, when the guy who did those balance jobs was trying to do the rear wheels on a car, after he'd finished the front (using one of motorized jobbers, that weighed about a ton, it seemed, LOL).
Anyway, standard procedure for the rears, was to raise the car, put a few old tires on one side, lower the car, and bring the non-locked wheel up to speed (running engine). That worked pretty good, except on this one particular car, which had a posi-track differential, that the mechanic wasn't aware of. When his assistant tried to bring the rear wheel up to speed, there was resistance--solution, more gas, until the tires on the opposite side used for locking that wheel, came flying out---fortunately, no one was standing behind the car, but it got everyone's attention!

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Jake

05-12-2004 18:27:02




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 Re: What about bubble-type tire balancers? in reply to Darren in TN, 05-12-2004 06:45:08  
One thing to keep in mind....most wheels (Steel) today are stamped. A minor deviation in squareness in that stamping process can cause you grief. Even on a near perfect wheel, if you balance it, then rotate it 180 Degrees you'll see a difference.



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MAC,IL

05-12-2004 15:51:03




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 Re: What about bubble-type tire balancers? in reply to Darren in TN, 05-12-2004 06:45:08  
Years ago the BB machine was really in, basically thats about all anyone used. But on the newer cars with radials I would not recommend it. Good tires are just to expensive. Try one of these places where you buy tires and then they rotate and bal free as long as you own the tires.



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dw

05-12-2004 15:00:12




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 Re: What about bubble-type tire balancers? in reply to Darren in TN, 05-12-2004 06:45:08  
I have read that using a bubble balancer for radial tires is not recommended. Just my 2 cents worth.



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RB/CT

05-12-2004 12:05:11




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 Re: What about bubble-type tire balancers? in reply to Darren in TN, 05-12-2004 06:45:08  
Saw a newer type spin balancer on tv, and it automatically measured and showed rim imperfections, resulting in this case of the rim not meeting specs and being discarded. This is something a bubble balancer could not do. Bubble balancers are good but spin balancers result in perfection.



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Slowpoke

05-13-2004 00:55:08




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 Re: Re: What about bubble-type tire balancers? in reply to RB/CT, 05-12-2004 12:05:11  
Well, perfection doesn't come cheap. I'm looking at an ad for a Coats Economy computerized balancer at $2550. And it doesn't even have the safety cover over the tire.
Maybe the reason the on-car spin balancers went out was because of the danger of trying to adjust the weight ring one inch away from a fast rotating tire. I suspect a few fingers and hands got damaged in the process.
By the way, does anyone have the operator's manual for a Bada Model 60 bubble balancer? I'd like to have an original or copy for my machine.
For email, remove 'stuff' from address. I will NOT be notified of a posted response by YT.

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txblu

05-12-2004 09:23:18




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 Re: What about bubble-type tire balancers? in reply to Darren in TN, 05-12-2004 06:45:08  
I agree with the guys about this being the only type used for many years other than the one which spun the tire on the car which is what the current dynamic types tend to replicate. But you can't replace the installed process if you are a purist.

I have a bubble balancer and here is what I can share with you.

Flat concrete garage floor best.
Calibrate the unit prior to installing the tire
Remove all old weights, dirt and other "things"
Insure the tire is centered on the balancer...very important.
Put weight on side having bubble
Balance and lay weights around perimeter of wheel edge accordingly....don't install yet. If you have weight on opposite sides (across the wheel not top and bottom, same side) of the tire your initial weight was too heavy. Half weight requirement and put half on the top and half directly underneath on other side of wheel (not across to the other side, under the weight you are installing on the top side). Install weight insuring that the weight conforms to to the curvature of the wheel.

Here's the tough part. Remove the tire/wheel from the balancer and reinstall it. If you did your job correctly (both times) the bubble will be centered. If not, back the truck up and do it over.

If you are not satisfied with your static balance and have a stubborn tire you may then want to take it to a tire shop with a dynamic balancer.

One final thought. If you use a very large weight [(say 4 0z on a LT 245-16)..depends on size and wt of tire wheel assy as to what is large] you may have a heavy spot on a tire lined up with a heavy spot on the wheel. Break the tire down and rotate 180 degrees. Sometimes this helps.

Remember less is best on weights.

txblu

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Jamie R.

11-23-2004 18:25:12




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 Re: Re: What about bubble-type tire balancers? in reply to txblu, 05-12-2004 09:23:18  
OK, silly question here:

Do you level the balancer with the cone floating (up) or resting (down)? There is a difference on my M-60 so I've always done it with the cone up (floating).

Jamie



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HS

05-12-2004 11:26:13




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 Re: Re: What about bubble-type tire balancers? in reply to txblu, 05-12-2004 09:23:18  
Of course the installed dynamic process is best. But it can have the downside that if any other component is out of balance, rotor, drum, hub, even the lug nuts, and you want to rotate the tires in the future theoretically you would have to rebalance. So maybe the dynamic balance off the car might be best.



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txblu

05-13-2004 09:51:56




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 Re: Re: Re: What about bubble-type tire balancers? in reply to HS, 05-12-2004 11:26:13  
Thats a good point.



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T_Bone

05-12-2004 10:05:17




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 Re: Re: What about bubble-type tire balancers? in reply to txblu, 05-12-2004 09:23:18  
Hi Darren,

Hard to add to what txblu said.

I found that by adding a slight toe-in on the tire weight ends makes the weights stay on longer. Just place the end of the weight on the rims edge then bump with a hammer. This makes the weight hug the rim edge very tight when installed.

As stated double check the balance before installing on the vechile.

T_Bone



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Tom in TN

05-12-2004 08:15:57




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 Re: What about bubble-type tire balancers? in reply to Darren in TN, 05-12-2004 06:45:08  
Darren,

There's no doubt that a dynamic balance is better than a static balance, but the fact is, static bubble balance was used very widely a few years ago by garages and tire shops. I have balanced many tires using a bubble balance, and I think they work pretty well.

One bit of advice though - don't buy a cheapie unit. I bought one from J.C. Whitney a few years ago for about $50. It as a total waste. If you buy one, get a unit that sits on the floor, not on the bench. The bench units just are stable enough.

A used floor unit sold at auction in Spring Hill, TN, last Saturday for about $75.00. It was pretty beaten up, but it appeared to work.

Good luck,

Tom in TN

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Robert

05-12-2004 07:01:42




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 Re: What about bubble-type tire balancers? in reply to Darren in TN, 05-12-2004 06:45:08  
You'll undoubtedly get lots of different opinions on this, but, as a kid working in gas stations back in the 60's, a bubble balancer was used lots of times when we'd sell tires. Like all things, a lot depends on the operator. If done properly, we'd hardly ever get a "come back".
The other thing is, that this was in the age of bias ply tires, not radials, so I'm not sure if it makes any difference. Good luck on whatever you decide!

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Charles (in GA)

05-12-2004 07:31:17




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 Re: Re: What about bubble-type tire balancers? in reply to Robert, 05-12-2004 07:01:42  
I have to agree with Robert, they can work well if you take the time to do the job properly. I had ocassion to use one a friend had years ago, and never had a problem.

Charles



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MPK

05-14-2004 08:57:25




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 Re: Re: Re: What about bubble-type tire balancers? in reply to Charles (in GA), 05-12-2004 07:31:17  
I bought a new bubble balancer from Montgomery Ward about 50 yrs ago and still use it all the time with very good results. The main thing is to make sure it is centered before you start, and be very fussy when you read it. Also you can't have any wind blowing on it when using it. I also split the weight between top and bottom if the weights get too big. They use a bubble balancer where I buy tires but I always have to do it over when I get home because they just don't take the time to do it right. They will lay the weight on the tire next to the rim instead of on the rim where the weight gets put on which is not the same, so they don't get a accurate balance. Also they don't take time for the bubble to stop so they can read it. Just read it accurately and have it centered in the circle. I use it on the new radial tires too. I balance and cross switch my tires on my new front wheel drive car about every 10 to 15,000 miles.

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