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Mounting Tires at Home in the Shop?

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Darren in TN

05-11-2004 10:25:16

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Howdy, all.
I've been thinking about starting to mount my own car and truck tires in my shop at home. I already buy tires and have them shipped in because of high prices and bad experiences at local shops. Can y'all give any advice about whether this is an ok idea, and maybe what NOT to do? I'm looking at spending a little money on a set of tire changing tools-- any suggestions there? I'd love to be able to mount my own tractor tires, too-- anybody out there do that?

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Darren

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05-13-2004 06:48:20

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Re: Mounting Tires at Home in the Shop? in reply to Darren in TN, 05-11-2004 10:25:16

I got the best "trick" from this website some years ago and I used it just this weekend. It is for breaking down tires. Just throw a chain around the wheel and up through the center of the wheel, hook it around a handy man (high boy) jack and jack it tight. Let the base of the jack push down on the bead as close to the wheel rim as possible, all the while standing on the tire and 99.99 percent they will break down. I had to do some trailer tires on the road a while back, no problem. That works great for trailer or tractor tires but as for car/truck tires that require balancing, you can use the same method but need to balance. I haven't seen anyone touch on this in the thread so far, thought I would share it. Honestly if I knew who posted it some years ago, I would send him a case of his favorite beverage. It has saved me beating them with hammers like I did in the past.

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Nolan

05-13-2004 05:52:07

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Re: Mounting Tires at Home in the Shop? in reply to Darren in TN, 05-11-2004 10:25:16

I have a Harbor Freight manual tire changing station that I use to do my own tires. Does a fine job. I'm almost as fast with that machine as I am with a pneumatic one. If you're looking to change tires yourself at home, I highly recommend it. It's very cheap (on sale currently for only $35) and quite robust.

As for seating the bead, seems most have forgotten about wraping a rope or ratchet strap around the tread circumference and cinching it tight.

Harbor Freight Tire Changer

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Alan Y.

05-12-2004 12:13:05

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Re: Mounting Tires at Home in the Shop? in reply to Darren in TN, 05-11-2004 10:25:16

Just be aware that there is some danger when you seat the bead on the wheel. When the tire bead "pops" onto the wheel rim as you apply air pressure, the wheel can break with explosive force. Of course, this doesn't usually happen but if there is any damage or defects in the wheel, it could.

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txblu

05-12-2004 09:49:17

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Re: Mounting Tires at Home in the Shop? in reply to Darren in TN, 05-11-2004 10:25:16

Lots of interesting threads here but no one has hit the main problem on the head.

SEATING of the new tire to the wheel.

Since most of us don't have the squeeze strap, nor the ring and bottle of air, and these big fat tires with their 10 plies have been squashed flat sitting at the dealership..... .....

I DOUBT THAT ANYONE DOES THE DANGEROUS TRICK OF IGNITING ETHER, beins it's around the shop for winter starting of cranky diesels and all. Naw! Grin.

txblu

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jim

05-12-2004 14:43:29

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Re: Re: Mounting Tires at Home in the Shop? in reply to txblu, 05-12-2004 09:49:17

I use ether as a last resort, but ususally I will wrap a chain around the tire and twist it up with the tire tool. Al lot of work, but it will get 'er done.

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txblu

05-13-2004 09:59:15

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Re: Re: Re: Mounting Tires at Home in the Shop? in reply to jim, 05-12-2004 14:43:29

I could use the turnquet with bias tires but when the belts came into play, I lost out.

txblu

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05-12-2004 11:33:20

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Re: Re: Mounting Tires at Home in the Shop? in reply to txblu, 05-12-2004 09:49:17

Stand well back and THROW the match at it..... .Roger?

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txblu

05-13-2004 10:00:24

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Re: Re: Re: Mounting Tires at Home in the Shop? in reply to mj, 05-12-2004 11:33:20

Yes! Well back, and have the air ready with the valve stem out. Great sport. Right!

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TGIN

05-12-2004 14:13:42

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Re: Re: Re: Mounting Tires at Home in the Shop? in reply to mj, 05-12-2004 11:33:20

Watched a buddy have to break one back down to get his zippo out of the tire after a ether seating .

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txblu

05-13-2004 10:01:51

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Mounting Tires at Home in the Shop in reply to TGIN, 05-12-2004 14:13:42

LOL. I put a welding glove on with an arm protector (for welders). Then use a fireplace probane wand.

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jim

05-12-2004 09:21:24

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Re: Mounting Tires at Home in the Shop? in reply to Darren in TN, 05-11-2004 10:25:16

If you are looking to mount and dismount car tires, it is easier to go to a tire shop. If you are looking to mount truck, tractor, etc tires and to be able to do it when you need it, and not when the tire shop is open, you can get a good heavy tire hammer, a short handled 8# sledge, and just about break anything down, then get 2-3 tire spoons and a good air compres or with a lot of volume and you have it made.

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kyhayman

05-12-2004 07:15:36

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Re: Mounting Tires at Home in the Shop? in reply to Darren in TN, 05-11-2004 10:25:16

I got tired of needing a tire fixed in the 'worst' way and not having anybody that could do it. Usually I needed it after hours or when the shop was too busy. I bought a new tire changer and tools off of ebay, spent about $2800 for the complete set up and several new tubes and repair stuff. Paid for many times over. Last year square baler tire 'gave up the ghost' on Sunday about 12:30. I had 30 acres of hay (4th cutting alfalfa) in the windrow and rain in the forecast. Just being able to get the tire fixed and back up in 45 mins was worth almost the cost of the set up.

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jake

05-12-2004 08:04:35

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Re: Re: Mounting Tires at Home in the Shop? in reply to kyhayman, 05-12-2004 07:15:36

When mounting a tire a product fom Gempler.com called "no rim rust" the tire slides right on. It does not evaporate or soak into the tire rubber, making the next dismount a snap.

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Slowpoke

05-12-2004 01:01:43

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Re: Mounting Tires at Home in the Shop? in reply to Darren in TN, 05-11-2004 10:25:16

The best tools are the ones made to remove tires. Buy at least two, better three 18" tire irons (spoons). They come in straight, curved and drop center styles. I like the drop center as it seems to grab the rim better. Auto supply, J.C. Whitney, etc., about $15-$18 ea. Buy a gallon of tire lube, too. You can break the bead with a tire hammer ($50), bumper jack, put a 2x6 on the tire and drive another vehicle up on it, or several other methods. Just don't damage the rim. Then you need a bubble balancer, maybe $50 used.
Try to find an old style Bada brand. When walking around parking lots, tire shops, along the road, etc., look for lost weights. Or buy an assortment of new ones. Just don't expect every tire to pop off the first time. After 10, 15, or 20 years, some don't want to break the bead without using a commercial machine. And by then the rim is pretty rusty.

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Goldwingboy

05-11-2004 20:08:16

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Re: Mounting Tires at Home in the Shop? in reply to Darren in TN, 05-11-2004 10:25:16

You can use a digging bar or spud bar and a fence post driver to break the bead also. It's a lot of work changing tires this way but GREAT exersize!

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T_Bone

05-11-2004 19:32:42

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Re: Mounting Tires at Home in the Shop? in reply to Darren in TN, 05-11-2004 10:25:16

Hi Darren,

I've been using a wood splitting maul for breaking the beads. I just tap the maul head a couple times with a single jack then move about 5" and repeat a couple times. It don't take much to break the bead this way.

I then use a 24" crow bar to keep the bead on the outside of the rim then use a 14" crow bar to work the bead off/on the rim. I found by prying off/on 3" of bead or so works best as then the bead doesn't stretch very far and is easy to control.

I sanded the crow bars radius smooth and use tire soap. They work well for tire irons.

This set-up works well for changing my tractor tire or fixing a flat on my dooley. I recently helped the SIL change 12 tires on my truck and trailer with a air machine and I'll pay to have it done next time as 12 tires is a real work out.

I did use 8oz of RV anit-freeze in each tire for a liquid balance that seams to be working well.

T_Bone

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MarkB

05-11-2004 18:48:05

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Re: Mounting Tires at Home in the Shop? in reply to Darren in TN, 05-11-2004 10:25:16

When I was in Egypt, I had a tire fixed by two boys, ages about ten and thirteen. The only equipment they had was an air hose, a tire iron (maybe two), and their bare hands and feet. So you don't have to have any fancy equipment, but I don't think you would want to go through what they did to break a tire down and remount it.

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JK-NY

05-11-2004 18:36:44

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Re: Mounting Tires at Home in the Shop? in reply to Darren in TN, 05-11-2004 10:25:16

I do all my own farm wagon and tractor tires and have a neighbor with a pump for calcium that I can use . I have done my own car and truck tires occaisonally, usually have them put on if purchased new. One thing no one has mentioned is balancing tires, you will have to get an old fashioned bubble balancer and some weights or take your chances and not bother with balancing but I would reccomend balancing at least steer axle tires.HTH-JK

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RayP(MI)

05-11-2004 18:12:14

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Re: Mounting Tires at Home in the Shop? in reply to Darren in TN, 05-11-2004 10:25:16

For the few dollars my tire dealer gets for changing a tire, I can't afford to do it myself. They can have a new tire in place and inflated before I can break a bead. (And no work on my part!)

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Coloken

05-11-2004 12:21:24

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Re: Mounting Tires at Home in the Shop? in reply to Darren in TN, 05-11-2004 10:25:16

There are people here that can remove a tire from a safety rim "by hand", with different tricks, but it is far easier to get yourself a commercial type changer. The air powered ones come pretty high and not needed. The cheap ones like Harbor freight sells will work on lighter car tires and is better than none, but they don't hack it on bigger ones, Like 10 ply truck tires. Use lubrication every time. If you don't, you will tear up the bead/seal.

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JMS/MN

05-11-2004 11:53:16

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Re: Mounting Tires at Home in the Shop? in reply to Darren in TN, 05-11-2004 10:25:16

Two weeks ago I did about ten implement tires in the shop. Put new ones on an offset disc I just bought, and the rest were spares that I keep around for wagons. Sort of like spring shop cleanup. All you need are a couple of spoons for working the tire off after you break the bead, sledge hammer, gauge, valve tool, compressor, etc. Used to have an incomplete tire changer to break beads with, but sold that. Looking for a Coats changer, but now I use the skidloader bucket to break beads. Easier than using the wedges. I've done tractor rears, with and without fluid, but without a pump it is more complicated. If the tractor rears are still mounted, you can break the bead with another tractor and a 4x4 to push it off. Or buy the slam hammer and break sweat.

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TGIN

05-11-2004 17:33:04

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Re: Re: Mounting Tires at Home in the Shop? in reply to JMS/MN, 05-11-2004 11:53:16

I use a old style bumper jack to break the bead . Lay tire on the ground and put the base of the jack on the tire and jack aganst somthing heavy like a bumper or tractor drawbar.

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