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cb

05-05-2004 06:26:38




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have central heat/air installed in home. we have a bad dust problem, despite keeping doors and windows closed. thinking about installing a air purifier to cut down on dust. has anyone experienced using these devices, either a central or a room size portable type. i would appreciate any advice and/or comments. thanks




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cb

05-06-2004 06:02:54




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 Re: air purifier in reply to cb, 05-05-2004 06:26:38  
i'm truly greatful at the responce from all of you and amazed at the info.put forth. i can see where the need to seal off the outside and keep air from entering. i think the opening of doors during the day would be the cause of most of the dust. pressurizing the inside sounds like a good idea, but i;m wondering at the cost. i will check with some local ac companies, i'll start by changing to of the suggested filters in the ac system. i'm usung one of those filtrete folded paper filters now, the get dirty in a hurry, so they are catching some of the dust, but the are overwhelmed at the volume. i have checked the prices on those air cleaners, and seem to cost about $4-500. thanks to all

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RZ(WA)

05-07-2004 09:57:22




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 Re: Re: air purifier in reply to cb, 05-06-2004 06:02:54  
Yep, positive pressure in the house will help alot. Install or repair the fireplace damper if you can and improve the seal around all doors and windows. Inspect, caulk or tape ALL the joints in the central air ductwork. Also install an adjustable outside air intake to the furnace. It doesn't need to be adjustable, I put a duct damper in mine only to close it off during the winter. And use a Media type filter, as someone mentioned, they filter down to the micron level.

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cb

05-07-2004 12:54:38




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 Re: Re: Re: air purifier in reply to RZ(WA), 05-07-2004 09:57:22  
i've been checking around for filters, the ones you mentioned are what is being reccomended, the electronic is a little pricey [$500]. the media one is next on the list. thanks for all info and responce. have a good day



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T_Bone

05-07-2004 14:51:40




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: air purifier in reply to cb, 05-07-2004 12:54:38  
Hi cb,

Watch using a filter with too much static pressure rating as then the fan motor will overload.

Many of the newer residence HVAC designs use 1" to 2" static pressure that can handle additional filtration.

Many older systems are designed for 1/2" to 1"wc.

Static pressure= resistance to air flow.

T_Bone



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cb

05-08-2004 05:47:56




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: air purifier in reply to T_Bone, 05-07-2004 14:51:40  
thanks for the info. i have one of the static filters, it is several years old [had it previous house] i seems to be no good. hold up to light and you can see thru it. i guess if you see thru it, it won't stop much. have a good day



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Dick2

05-06-2004 05:07:29




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 Re: air purifier in reply to cb, 05-05-2004 06:26:38  
Got carpet? That can be the source of the dust. We removed all of the carpet in our house because of my allergies and installed laminate wood flooring. My wife says the dust is 1/10th of what it was with carpet.



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Ray,IN

05-05-2004 21:31:02




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 Re: air purifier in reply to cb, 05-05-2004 06:26:38  
Replace the furnace filters with Filtrete brand HEPA filters @ about $12.99 each. You must monitor thier condition closely though to prevent furnace troubles from lack of air flow when they get dirty.



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Angle iron

05-05-2004 19:54:11




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 Re: air purifier in reply to cb, 05-05-2004 06:26:38  
First things first. You say you house is real dusty. The pressure idea is a good one to a point. How is the dust getting in? Leaky doors and windows? Or is the duct system leaking? Any leaks in supply or the return duct system sucks in outside air. If the supply ducts have leaks depending where it is located in a crawl space or attic it will be sucked back into the house thru leaky doors, windows,the return duct system could pick this air up. I have seen leaks bad enough that air was being drawn back in thru electrical outlets, beside plumbing pipes and on one home it was pulling the air down from the attic thru the interior walls and staining the carpet with dust and rusting the nails in the carpet tack strip because of the humidity in the air. That was the worst case that I saw. The point is first stop the dust and pollen from getting in. Then a slight poss pressure along with a good filtration system. The normal air filter put in your system and sold all over are the see thru fiberglass filters. They are what we call rock stoppers, anything smaller than a rock will get thru. Honeywell as well as many other companys have whats called a media air filter that will remove particles down to the micron size, the replacement cartriges sell here for about $30 and depending on system size as well how bad the house is will need to be changed at least every six months. Another option as mentioned is the uv light treatment units. These are most important an heatpumps and air conditioning coils. If you use one get the double bulb model with one bulb on each side of the coil. This does more to keep mold and mildew from forming than stopping dust. The bulbs being used only have an effective life span of twelve months as per the data sheets I have read. They don't always burn out but also don't produce the uv rays needed to work. There are several kinds of electronic units out ther and honeywell has them as well. They are very not as cost effective as the media type and the media does a very good job. Stop the leaks, clean the air and bring in a small amount of outside air keeping in mind tha the more you bring in the more you have to heat or cool. Just my $20 dollars worth

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Vern-MI

05-06-2004 11:28:09




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 Re: Re: air purifier in reply to Angle iron, 05-05-2004 19:54:11  
I have to thank you, Angle Iron, what you said about the negative pressure is exactly what is happening in my house and although I saw the evidence I never put two and two together. I had installed an electrostaic air filter and a Honeywell #203719 high efficiency air filter but they weren't enough. I have noticed that there were dirty spots in the carpet along the outside wall and after your comments realized that the house is under negative pressure and pulling in dirty outside air at the base of the drywall where it meets the plate. The negative pressure is evidenced by the way the outside doors spring open easily from the outside pressure being greater than the inside pressure. The updraft in the 30 foot tall furnace and fireplace chimneys are the probable causes of the negative pressure. Now I have to figure out a way to shut these off when not in use and to bring in enough outside cleaned air to pressurize the house and not send it all up the chimney. We built the house and have never had pets or smokers living in the house to cause air quality and breathing problems. Thanks again.

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Vern-MI

05-05-2004 18:26:07




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 Re: air purifier in reply to cb, 05-05-2004 06:26:38  
The kids bought the wife an Ionic Breeze Quadra silent air purifier from Sharper Image for Christmas. I looked at that thing and thought what a waste of money. It will only clean an area the size of her bedroom so she decided to put it there. My wife has coughed since 1975 with the worst being when she gets up in the morning and that is why she has her own bedroom. It drove me nuts. My daughter finally understood when she went on a three day weekend trip and the coughing nearly drove my daughter nuts. Well she turned on the Ionic Breeze and the next morning she did not cough once and said that she slept through the night for thre first time in 29 years. The unit has to be cleaned once a week and it is supposed to clean the air of dust particles and some airborne viruses as well as ionize the air. It picks up a lot of visible dust and she doesn't cough blow her nose incessantly anymore so it is doing the job. It sounds like an info-mercial but I don't work for the company or market their products but they sure do work. They are expensive at about $350 new and about $175 refurbished on EBAY. They are completely noiseless and use about 10 watts of power and operate continuously. I wanted to let our dentist borrow ours to see if it would help his son's breathing problem but my wife said no way let him get his own. She won't ever part with hers. Now she wants one for use at her office.

I don't work for this company.

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T_Bone

05-05-2004 16:20:42




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 Re: air purifier in reply to cb, 05-05-2004 06:26:38  
Hi cb,

How we keep dust from entering a commerical buildings, ie; office building, hospital, etc; is to positive air pressure the indoor area along with a air tight building wrapper to keep dust out.

The static positive air pressure keeps the dust from blowing indoors when a door/window is opened. As you can see this requires alot of CFM of make-up air from a fan. We then deaccellerate the air dropping the larger dirt particles before our prefilters then push the air thru the final filters before discharging into occupied space. This would be on a simple HVAC design.

We then, depending on the building HVAC requirements, treat the air by heating/cooling and/or with electronic dust collectors, ultrasonic dust control, UV dust control, etc;

A home would also require the same treatment to resolve the same problems.

The electronic air filters will help some what with dust but they help more with pollen control than dust but Marginally at best.

I laugh every time I see infocommericals claiming a 200cfm unit cleans the air to where it would help the average person.

Until you positive pressure a building, your pretty well trying to push a rope.

Also when the fan quits on a positive pressure building, you will feel like you can't breath.

T_Bone

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Peter(NY)

05-05-2004 13:08:40




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 Re: air purifier in reply to cb, 05-05-2004 06:26:38  
Believe it or not. If blacktop is an option, at least part of the way from the house, it helps out tremendously. If you have nothing but lawn and blacktop, you shouldn't have much dust at all.



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cb

05-05-2004 15:57:51




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 Re: Re: air purifier in reply to Peter(NY), 05-05-2004 13:08:40  
the driveway is rock over a clay base, and i don't believe that could be the culprit by itself, however there is a large grassy yard around my house that would be producing some of the dust. i can't do much about how the dust is created. i want to find a efficient way cleaning the dust out of the air inside the house.



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Mike M

05-05-2004 09:47:41




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 Re: air purifier in reply to cb, 05-05-2004 06:26:38  
We have the same problem. Any good advice out here ?



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