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Welding w/ 110 volt machine

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Dave

09-23-2000 16:19:52




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I'm new to this board here...spend most of my spare computer time over at the IH/Farmall board. My question is this: I see some 110 volt wire feed machines that say they can weld 3/16 steel on a single pass. If I have heavier steel (say, 1/4 or 5/16) can I still use one of these machines and just make more passes? Or do I end up with a cold weld? What's the heaviest steel I could weld with one of thse machines if I make multiple passes? Thanks.

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tim

09-25-2000 19:17:46




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 Re: Welding w/ 110 volt machine in reply to Dave, 09-23-2000 16:19:52  
i have used several of the small lincoln miller hobarts and 3/16 on a 110 welder is tops and the duty cycle is not long for any. if you have bigger jobs go with a 220 if possible. i even occasionally kick my 180 miller matic off when welding 5/16 continuously.



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Steve U.S. Alloys

09-24-2000 11:20:53




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 Re: Welding w/ 110 volt machine in reply to Dave, 09-23-2000 16:19:52  
Hi Dave,
If you buy a wire fed welder with an output of 130 amps, you can expect to weld up to 3/8" steel using an open arc wire. With a 20% duty cycle, you can run a bead at full output up to about 14" in length before the machine shuts down. The open arc wires will add heat to the welders output. Preheat can be utilized to expand the thickness capabilities of any welding process but is not always practical. Buy a big enough machine to do what you need from the start. 130 amps will only weld 1/8" aluminum at best.

Sometimes people refer to gas shielded welds as being cleaner. Actually, a cleaner more sound bead is often realized with open arc wires under certain conditions.

The deposits made by the gas shielded wire should be cleaned with a wire brush before making a second pass. This is true of my wires or anyone elses. Many of the cored wires such as our #824 can be multipassed up to three time w/o removal of the slag. One reason for this is the ability of the flux to float impurities to the surface of the deposit. This is the same reason open arc wires produce cleaner welds in contaminated environments.

There will be noxious gases produced by both shielding methods. Although not visible, the gas shielded plume emits ozone gas and carbon monoxide gas from the CO2 being passed through the arc. There are other toxins produced in addition to those two.

I don't believe anyone uses copper windings anymore. Many manufacturers use a coating on the windings that resembles copper when you look at it. (That's not the reason the coating is used.)

You should also be aware that Miller and Hobart are both owned by the same parent company. There are many alternative choices available in todays market for both welding machines and consumables. HTH,
Steve

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walt

09-23-2000 17:37:38




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 Re: Welding w/ 110 volt machine in reply to Dave, 09-23-2000 16:19:52  
They are talking about total thickness. If you have a 1/4" steel, and grind a bevel to 1/8" then you can weld this. I have a Hobart Handler 135. Very pleased. With gas a much cleaner weld. But if you are going to 1/4" or thicker on a regular basis, I would go with a 220volt.



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T_Bone

09-23-2000 17:08:17




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 Re: Welding w/ 110 volt machine in reply to Dave, 09-23-2000 16:19:52  
Hi Dave, Most machines are good for 1/8" without preheating. With preheating about 1/4". The lie alot on the ratings but most are constant current machines and can be used for Tig welding also. This they don't tell you. Figure 1/16" or 16ga as the maximum without any preheating for wire feed.

Now Miller builds a 115v 170amp Dc Tig rig with a 100% duty cycle. But it costs $1800 too! I've never used one but a 100% duty cycle seams a bit over rated wishful thinking.

T_Bone

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Dave

09-23-2000 17:26:58




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 Re: Re: Welding w/ 110 volt machine in reply to T_Bone, 09-23-2000 17:08:17  
Thanks, T-Bone. I spent the last little while looking at the archives. Looks like this question comes up a lot. I also went to the web and looked at Lincoln and Miller's sites. Didn't see that miller you mentioned, but did see the Lincoln SP-125, which is claimed to weld as thick as 5/16.
Is this true? Also, do these machines weld thicker metal with gas than with wire core?

I see your name a lot on the IH board. Thanks for your help. Dave

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T_Bone

09-23-2000 18:21:48




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 Re: Re: Re: Welding w/ 110 volt machine in reply to Dave, 09-23-2000 17:26:58  
Hi Dave, Well that just means I have alot of dead time on my hands. hehehe

I have the Lincoln SP100 thats only 90 amps and I think the SP125 is 100amp. Like I said you'll have to preheat anything over 1/8" or the weld cold lapps wheather it looks good or not. No big deal as I've even used a propane hand torch for the preheat as it don't take much. I did use a century fluxed core machine about 5 years ago that out welded my Lincoln because of the flux core wire as I have mine set up for gas and use a 75% Helium/25% Aragon mix. That gas mix welds really hot of gases that is. The SP-100 has been really trouble free and did what I expected it to do. You can even use 3/32 ,7018 with it. Just don't expect the machine to act like a Miller matic or nice Linde machine and it'll do just fine.

The duty cycle is only 20% and with any welding machine theres two important things to look for:

1: Copper winding's NOT alumimum
2: Duty cycle--- How long you can weld without letting the machine rest!

Everthing else you can live with!

T_Bone

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